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Long_Range_Sniper #1 Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:47 AM

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Browsing WoT over a morning cup of coffee and I was surprised to see WG selling the Mutz and T-44-100 this weekend. I remember the pricing of these tanks previously, and I still can't get my head around the approach they're taking to selling these tanks. 

 

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I know the T-44 got a buff in 9.20, but is it really worth this much in the current MM and meta?

 

I don't think so, but someone buying it today may disagree?



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Thanks for the heads-up, I have bought two of each now.

Long_Range_Sniper #3 Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:07 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 15 September 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

Thanks for the heads-up, I have bought two of each now.

 

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Cobra6 #4 Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:12 AM

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No, no Tier 8 tank a part from the Defender is currently worth the money with the atrocious MM they get (majority T10 battles).

 

Don't spend money until WG fixes their MM properly and you only get T10 battles less than 33% of the time in your tier 8 tank (also when platooned, not just solo).

 

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Homer_J #5 Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:24 AM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 15 September 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

 

I know the T-44 got a buff in 9.20, but is it really worth this much in the current MM and meta?

 

 

Wargaming seem to work on a principle that if they sold something at a certain price in the past then they can't reduce that price except for short term discounts.

 

Hence PzII J will always come in a 100 Euro bundle.

 

T-44-100 price was set by the price of the tokens required to get it without being a WG slave for 6 weeks.  It wasn't worth it then and isn't worth it now but if they reduce the price they think there will be some huge backlash from the people who paid for it before.

 

And anyway they got away with it last time.



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View PostHomer_J, on 15 September 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

 

Wargaming seem to work on a principle that if they sold something at a certain price in the past then they can't reduce that price except for short term discounts.

 

Hence PzII J will always come in a 100 Euro bundle.

 

T-44-100 price was set by the price of the tokens required to get it without being a WG slave for 6 weeks.  It wasn't worth it then and isn't worth it now but if they reduce the price they think there will be some huge backlash from the people who paid for it before.

 

And anyway they got away with it last time.

 

I get that logic, but they can mitigate that by bundling it and reducing the price of the bundled stuff so they're almost giving that away. They can also do time limited promotions.

 

In which case their original strategy is wrong. If they're not going to sell a tank again, then tell players that, run the marathon, bump up the interest, and milk that opportunity. I mean it's not like it's hard for them to design a tank going by how often they knock them out.

 

But if they are going to sell them again, then get the original price right so that later discounts don't annoy the original purchasers who have had their enjoyment by then.

 

Edit: Should have added that I know they've bundled the T-44-100, but that the original price clearly gives them problems.


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We are talking about Wargaming here and it has to do with "balancing" so what did you expect?

 

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 15 September 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

 

I get that logic, but they can mitigate that by bundling it and reducing the price of the bundled stuff so they're almost giving that away. 

 

Yeh but then people that bought it the first time (who were stupid to do so) get ripped off even more than they originally did and would complain. If you'd paid £40 for a mediocre tier 8 premium and then said same mediocre tier 8 premium came bundled with gold, credits, premium time, boosters whatever at the same price, you'd feel pissed off. 

 

 



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View Posttajj7, on 15 September 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

 

Yeh but then people that bought it the first time (who were stupid to do so) get ripped off even more than they originally did and would complain. If you'd paid £40 for a mediocre tier 8 premium and then said same mediocre tier 8 premium came bundled with gold, credits, premium time, boosters whatever at the same price, you'd feel pissed off. 

 

 

 

A fool and his money is often parted........

 

Then it all goes back to the original tank. If they're selling tokens to buy the tank then there's got to be a balance.

 

If you're going to have a token purchase/token earn tank then price the tank first then work out the missions/tokens in reverse.

 

Maybe they did the missions first and then suddenly found out that to ensure the missions were hard enough and you couldn't just skip too many they had to price the tank at tier 8 heavy prices.

 

Like you say Tajj, bottom line. It wasn't the best purchase then, and it's even worse now IMHO with the meta/MM.

 

Mutz is a different discussion.



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View Posttajj7, on 15 September 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

 

you'd feel pissed off. 

 

 

 

Nothing new to the regular WG customer....

Slyspy #11 Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:54 AM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 15 September 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

 

A fool and his money is often parted........

 

Then it all goes back to the original tank. If they're selling tokens to buy the tank then there's got to be a balance.

 

If you're going to have a token purchase/token earn tank then price the tank first then work out the missions/tokens in reverse.

 

Maybe they did the missions first and then suddenly found out that to ensure the missions were hard enough and you couldn't just skip too many they had to price the tank at tier 8 heavy prices.

 

Like you say Tajj, bottom line. It wasn't the best purchase then, and it's even worse now IMHO with the meta/MM.

 

Mutz is a different discussion.

 

Why does any of this matter? If you have the money and want the product then buy it. If either of those things is not the case then don't bother. 

ZlatanArKung #12 Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:08 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 15 September 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

 

Why does any of this matter? If you have the money and want the product then buy it. If either of those things is not the case then don't bother. 

 

Some people buy a product and then expect a certain quality of that bought product.

In current MM, Mutz and T-44-100 lacks any kind of quality except taking a spot in garage and being nice to see in the garage.



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Its WarGaming. Im pretty they dont know what "Logic" means

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The logic, or lack thereof, is the same that makes premium heavies much more expensive than same-tier mediums, or (outside WoT) anything Apple much more expensive than all alternatives. You can ask as much as people pay, for whatever reason they do it.

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 15 September 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

Some people buy a product and then expect a certain quality of that bought product.

In current MM, Mutz and T-44-100 lacks any kind of quality except taking a spot in garage and being nice to see in the garage.

 

That isn't what this thread is about though is it?

Gremlin182 #16 Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:32 PM

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Playing yesterday I thought I was in another game my tier 9 Conqueror was top tiered 11 games on the run not a tier 10 in sight.

Game 12 2 tier 10s appeared

 

More on topic T44-100 I don't have but I do think its priced a little high for a tier 8 medium.

 



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View PostSlyspy, on 15 September 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

Why does any of this matter? If you have the money and want the product then buy it. If

 

I guess it's all about mind over matter.

 

View PostSlyspy, on 15 September 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

That isn't what this thread is about though is it?

 

This thread is about asking the opinion of people who could buy the T-44-100 in the current MM/Meta, and either did buy it or decided not to buy it. It's also commenting on the disparity between the pricing of both tanks, and a vague interest in WG's pricing strategy.

 

Muffin has given his opinion, and from what I read is not recommending a purchase. I would agree with the T-44-100, and also the Mutz. Although I do have the Mutz from the pre-9.18 MM but I don't play it now.



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If it's worth it is a different matter. I've still not played mine after the buffs "Tho I got mine for free via the event". But if they did offer the T-44-100 at a more fair price suddenly. The "drama queens" as WG said it, would come out in force. Because they bought all the tokens for it during the Marathon for 2x more. Or bought it during the Xmas sales later, that had the same price as the event did. And if they suddenly "dropped" the price.... Well you know how things go around here when something is not "fair".

 






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