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Keyhand #1 Posted 16 September 2017 - 02:18 PM

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Heyho,

Well, we seem to have a bit of a change of strategy within the balancing department of WG.

Premium vehicles which were supposed to be a tad worse than their "normal" counterparts are now supposed to be just as strong, which has been officially confirmed in the video provided in this post.

Feel free to discuss :)

 



speedphlux #2 Posted 16 September 2017 - 02:29 PM

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Yup ! Because we all know how the Scorpion G, is very much "on-par" with the Borsig, as an example.

 

Premium tanks should be INFERIOR to their counterparts, when the regular vehicles have been ELITED. Nice examples of the past, were the old Lowe, vs Tiger II; T32 vs T34; IS-6 vs IS-3 ...

Would be interesting to see what sort of mess they are going to make out of tanks with Pref MM, in particular Super Pershing (which is prolly the only Pref MM vehicle I play nowdays (very very rarely)) and the popular Heavies with 175mm AP penetration (IS-6, WZ-111 & 112)



Dr_ownape #3 Posted 16 September 2017 - 02:57 PM

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I agreed they should be sub par when they were SMM. now they are not i think you need to persuade us lot to buy them and the additional credits/experience don't make them enjoyable to play if they are beaten by all. BUT WG are useless at balancing tanks anyway so it's a mute argument

Mimos_A #4 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:01 PM

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They don't need to be sub-par, but I would prefer them to introduce them a bit sub-par and balance them while they're being played. Since they can't (or refuse to) nerf premium tanks they should be a bit conservative when introduced IMHO.

shane73tank #5 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:06 PM

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Just as strong is fine,  but op is not, the balance dept have a job to do  i think if they're doing it right you would see good variety in team battles 

GaryThomasBolton #6 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:10 PM

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View Postspeedphlux, on 16 September 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Premium tanks should be INFERIOR to their counterparts

 

Why? When you're actually paying for that tank and is not a free in-game one. I would have thought the opposite actually, that tanks you buy with real cash should be slightly better "or at least the same" as their counterpart, if anything.

 

This game now playing a premium T8 tank (without a premium account running with it) has got worse for trying to make credits. I can make credits at a decent rate when having a premium account running with the premium tank (which is extra cash again spent) each time doing it. But nowadays running a premium tank with no premium account active, it's seriously has gone bad!

 

Been playing my premium FV4202 last 3 days, not a great deal like after running a premium account with for last 6 weeks or so. But I've only made about 300k in them 3 days, with a premium account used with it I'd have made around 1 to 1.5 million


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 16 September 2017 - 03:22 PM.


Mimos_A #7 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:12 PM

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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 16 September 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

 

Why? When you're actually paying for that tank and is not a free in-game one. I would have thought the opposite actually, that tanks you buy with real cash should be slightly better than their counterpart, if anything.

 

Not better, equal, they already give advantages like more credits and xp. There's no reason to also make them perform better in battle.

Isharial #8 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:23 PM

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View PostMimos_A, on 16 September 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

 

Not better, equal, they already give advantages like more credits and xp. There's no reason to also make them perform better in battle.

 

this

 

they should simply increase the amount of credits they produce slightly, buff up the standard ammo pen but remove all other ammo types from them, that way making them into "pure" credit makers, and no using up their earning on getting "better" pen

ofcouse, there are many tanks with 175mm pen, so they need a fairly large buff to that, maybe 220?


 

this would make them "Inferior" to standard tanks because they'd only be able to deal with what they can actually pen, but also give them a role: credit maker


 

just my 2 cents


 


 



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OP you really expect prem tanks which cost real money to be same or worst than tech tree tanks u can get for free. LOL wtf, omg,rofl, haha. Over and out.

 

....OP ask yourself one question, did CW reward tanks like 907 must be better than TX tanks? they for free..... heh?


Edited by Ojciec_Director, 16 September 2017 - 03:25 PM.


GaryThomasBolton #10 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:24 PM

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Fair enough, but do think they should at least be the same as their counterpart (not inferior) as a paid tank

Isharial #11 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:25 PM

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View PostOjciec_Director, on 16 September 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

OP you really expect prem tanks which cost real money to be same or worst than tech tree tanks u can get for free. LOL wtf, omg,rofl, haha. Over and out

 

they should be worse, your not paying for the "Tank" your paying for the advantage of better crew training....

Ojciec_Director #12 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:28 PM

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View PostIsharial, on 16 September 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

 

they should be worse, your not paying for the "Tank" your paying for the advantage of better crew training....

 

well its CREDITS for me, so they must be good enough to face TX mosters in almost every game. Myself not using prem tanks to statd padding like all those purple pros spaming only god.

GaryThomasBolton #13 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:29 PM

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£30 for better crew training only, and have you tried training crew (even in a premium) once you past 4 skills, doing 5th and 6th one.

 

It'll take you about 100 years to get to 6 skills, which I'm currently doing in my FV4202. :(

 

Lol, do you know how long it's took me to do the 5th skill in my premium (and with a premium account running with it most of time this year). Many, many months, spent a fortune on premium accounts to do that (on top) of buying the premium tank in all that time it's took


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 16 September 2017 - 03:35 PM.


Isharial #14 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:33 PM

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View PostOjciec_Director, on 16 September 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

well its CREDITS for me, so they must be good enough to face TX mosters in almost every game. Myself not using prem tanks to statd padding like all those purple pros spaming only god.

 

even so, its still an advantage over a standard vehicle, ie the bits your paying for... if they were better + did all that, why would anyone play a standard tank?

people need some incentive to play a standard tech tree tank after all....


 

View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 16 September 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

£30 for better crew training only, and have you tried training crew (even in a premium) once you past 4 skills, doing 5th and 6th one.

 

It'll take you about 100 years to get to 6 skills, which I'm currently doing in my FV4202. :(

 

true, but its that and credits that you pay for

as I said, if your prem tank was better for everything, you wouldn't bother playing the tech tree tanks your grinding the crew for :P



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View PostIsharial, on 16 September 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

 

even so, its still an advantage over a standard vehicle, ie the bits your paying for... if they were better + did all that, why would anyone play a standard tank?

people need some incentive to play a standard tech tree tank after all....


 

 

true, but its that and credits that you pay for

as I said, if your prem tank was better for everything, you wouldn't bother playing the tech tree tanks your grinding the crew for :P

 

Yes, but you're grinding tanks really to get to tier  9 and 10. You cannot buy a T9 or 10 premium

 

So the grinding of stock tanks gains you a better tank in the long-run if you're willing to play at T9 or T10. Something a premium tank can't match doing against them tanks.


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 16 September 2017 - 03:38 PM.


Blubba #16 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:38 PM

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Crew training and improved credit income. Should they have a drawback?

I'd say yes simply to provide a reason beyond grinding tiers to play the normal free lines. The drawback doesn't need to be huge but I do believe there should be a difference.

So what is the current go to tank in tier 8 skirmish?



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View PostKeyhand, on 16 September 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Feel free to discuss :)

 

 

Why don't you give us your opinion on the matter when starting a topic ?

Isharial #18 Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:53 PM

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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 16 September 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

 

Yes, but you're grinding tanks really to get to tier  9 and 10. You cannot buy a T9 or 10 premium

 

So the grinding of stock tanks gains you a better tank in the long-run if you're willing to play at T9 or T10. Something a premium tank can't match doing against them tanks.

 

no but grinding for a T9 and T10 tank is purely down to your own reasoning, no one's forcing you to do that

if your willing, for example, to stay at T6 where is the incentive to use a standard tech tree T6? or T7? or T5? wait, there is none... you may as well play a premium


 

but you highlighted the exact issue right here

your biased towards "end game - tier 10" and have completely forgotten about those that don't see the point grinding for T10 and settle with the lower tiers for enjoyment


 

what is the point in using standard tech tree tanks at, say, T6, if premium variants earn more credits, train crews faster + are equal or better? none at all


 

there needs to be some incentive to playing tech tree tanks other than "get tier 10 noob"


Edited by Isharial, 16 September 2017 - 03:53 PM.


Gremlin182 #19 Posted 16 September 2017 - 04:00 PM

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Premium vehicles used to work according to the rule that there were better than a comparable stock tank but not as good as a fully elited tank.

They often had limited MM.

Then came the likes of the Berlin tanks just as good as the standard tank.

Now we are at stage 3 I think they are testing a theory.

 

Bring out some tanks like the Berlins and some others that are somewhat better than standard tanks.

The idea being that now some players will believe money gets them a superior tank so they will sell many more of them

Later of course the standard tanks will be made stronger to match them.

They may not be able to nerf premiums much without getting protests but nothing to stop them buffing the standard tanks later on so the Defender for example isn't any better.



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View PostKeyhand, on 16 September 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Heyho,

Well, we seem to have a bit of a change of strategy within the balancing department of WG.

Premium vehicles which were supposed to be a tad worse than their "normal" counterparts are now supposed to be just as strong, which has been officially counfirmed in the video provided in this post.

Feel free to discuss :)

 

 

Like hod Defender is on par with Caernarvon, or Liberte with Tiger II or Patriot with T32. They are very on par with each other.







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