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Retrained my WZ-111-14 crew to the WZ-111-5A with silver - strange results?


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All_up_in_ur_grille #1 Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:35 PM

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Doing Top of the Tree on the chinese heavy line at the moment. Having unlocked the WZ-111-5A, I decided to retrain my WZ-111-14 crew (working towards BIA on 3rd Skill) with silver and use a combination of ToTT & weekend special crew multipliers along with personal reserve boosters to get my crew from what I expected to be 90% on their main qualification after retraining, up to 100%.

 

After retraining though, the crew seem to be better than expected, 3 at 95% of their main & 1 at 94%, this is not including Commander bonus or vents. I havent played the WZ-111-5A yet (have ss if required)

 

 

I was thinking that perhaps some of the XP between 87%-88% of the BIA perk had been considered unassigned and therefore applied to the main proficiency, but the Driver only has 495 XP to go to hit 88%, so I doubt it's that.

 

Is there something i'm missing? I was expecting silver retraining to put the crew at 90%. I have a bunch of other tanks that I was waiting for gold retraining to be on discount, however if they can hit 95% I might just bite the bullet and retrain with silver and use the crew multiplier & boosts to get them to 100%



Penzijon3r_2017 #2 Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:37 PM

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retraining with gold is such a waste of money...

 

PS: some XP from last percentage of skill/perk is also used for base retraining


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So you're saying that you retrained a 100% crew member using silver & got 95% instead of 90%.  If that happened it must be a bug surely.

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I tend to go for the halfway house, from about tier 6/7 upwards I use gold to retrain the commander but silver for everyone else, I think when I moved my crew from the IS2 into the T10 it was the only time I have used gold for all which was just to speed things along during the TOTT as I am on a tight window to get the tier 9 before the end of the month

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View PostPenzijon3r_2017, on 17 September 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:

retraining with gold is such a waste of money...

 

PS: some XP from last percentage of skill/perk is also used for base retraining

 

This is true, a quick check of the skill progress should show ~21,900 remaining until next level (88%).

Penzijon3r_2017 #6 Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:56 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 17 September 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

So you're saying that you retrained a 100% crew member using silver & got 95% instead of 90%.  If that happened it must be a bug surely.

 

No, its certainly not.. happened to me with 4 skill crew.. I actualy retrained with credit and got full 100% on base skill.

 

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View PostPenzijon3r_2017, on 17 September 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

No, its certainly not.. happened to me with 4 skill crew.. I actualy retrained with credit and got full 100% on base skill.

 

Did you have unallocated Skill XP that was used to level up the Primary skill?  When I've done it I get 90% and skills untouched.

All_up_in_ur_grille #8 Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:03 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 17 September 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

So you're saying that you retrained a 100% crew member using silver & got 95% instead of 90%.  If that happened it must be a bug surely.

 

Took a screen of WZ-111-5A to show no games played in it

 



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View Postall_up_in_ur_sheet, on 17 September 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

 

Took a screen of WZ-111-5A to show no games played in it

 

If you're getting 95% then I'd retrain some more & see if you get 95% on those also.  No need to use gold, especially if you're getting 95%.

Edited by CmdRatScabies, 17 September 2017 - 07:05 PM.


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View Postall_up_in_ur_sheet, on 17 September 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

Took a screen of WZ-111-5A to show no games played in it

 

Funny. Instead of reading and responding to the correct answers you chose to pick the one which is wrong. Leftover XP from the secondary skill progress towards the next % is applied to the primary skill when retraining. If memory serves correctly, you should have even see the end % for the primary skill when selecting (but not yet confirming) the retraining.

 

Edit: And if I remember correctly, were you to reset the skills for your crew now it will top up the primary skill to 100% and reduce the last secondary with the XP required to get primary at 100%. Retraining the crew to the same vehicle will do the same thing actually.


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If your crew is very skilled, it need lots of XP to gain the next %. This left-over XP is used to retrain the crew.

All_up_in_ur_grille #12 Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:14 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 17 September 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

 

Funny. Instead of reading and responding to the correct answers you chose to pick the one which is wrong. Leftover XP from the secondary skill progress towards the next % is applied to the primary skill when retraining. If memory serves correctly, you should have even see the end % for the primary skill when selecting (but not yet confirming) the retraining.

 

Edit: And if I remember correctly, were you to reset the skills for your crew now it will top up the primary skill to 100% and reduce the last secondary with the XP required to get primary at 100%. Retraining the crew to the same vehicle will do the same thing actually.

 

Funny how I mentioned that in my OP but you didnt even think to address it.....

 

Didn't reset crew skills, hence why I didnt mention it



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View PostSlind, on 17 September 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

If your crew is very skilled, it need lots of XP to gain the next %. This left-over XP is used to retrain the crew.

 

Are you sure about this?  Is it "left over" only if it isn't being used to train a skill?

All_up_in_ur_grille #14 Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:20 PM

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View PostSlind, on 17 September 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

If your crew is very skilled, it need lots of XP to gain the next %. This left-over XP is used to retrain the crew.

 

The guy on 94% only had 495 XP to go until getting to the next percentage point on BIA, this is what made me unsure of this

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View Postall_up_in_ur_sheet, on 17 September 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

 

The guy on 94% only had 495 XP to go until getting to the next percentage point on BIA, this is what made me unsure of this

 

So it takes ~20k to go from 87% to 88% in skill 3 but this was used to go from 90% to 95% (~20k) on the primary skill?  Makes sense I suppose.

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View Postall_up_in_ur_sheet, on 17 September 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

Funny how I mentioned that in my OP but you didnt even think to address it.....

 

Didn't reset crew skills, hence why I didnt mention it

 

You retrained them, and that gives the same outcome. Yes, you more or less suggested that already. And now others have confirmed it. And while I did not explicitly stated you did mention it already, I did address it. So what more are you exactly looking for now?

 

Small correction, just checked: With (re)training you don't get to see the outcome. With reset you do (before confirming the reset). However, as XP requirements remain the same I would assume the outcome would be the same for (re)training and reset.

 

Example: I have a Sherman III Commander at 100% with 3 secondary skills. The last one is as 90%, 13.775 XP from the next increase. A reset for Credits will give me 100% primary and that 3rd secondary at 85%.


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Penzijon3r_2017 #17 Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:40 PM

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Impressive that you dont know that :amazed: ... everybody retraining with gold here?!?!

CmdRatScabies #18 Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:51 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 17 September 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

You retrained them, and that gives the same outcome. Yes, you more or less suggested that already. And now others have confirmed it. And while I did not explicitly stated you did mention it already, I did address it. So what more are you exactly looking for now?

 

Small correction, just checked: With (re)training you don't get to see the outcome. With reset you do (before confirming the reset). However, as XP requirements remain the same I would assume the outcome would be the same for (re)training and reset.

 

Example: I have a Sherman III Commander at 100% with 3 secondary skills. The last one is as 90%, 13.775 XP from the next increase. A reset for Credits will give me 100% primary and that 3rd secondary at 85%.

 

I don't think retraining reduces skill %, it only uses the XP that hasn't been consolidated into a skill %.  So it would use 13k (if you are almost at 91%) but it wouldn't reduce the skill below 90%.

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 17 September 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

 

You retrained them, and that gives the same outcome. Yes, you more or less suggested that already. And now others have confirmed it. And while I did not explicitly stated you did mention it already, I did address it. So what more are you exactly looking for now?

 

Small correction, just checked: With (re)training you don't get to see the outcome. With reset you do (before confirming the reset). However, as XP requirements remain the same I would assume the outcome would be the same for (re)training and reset.

 

Example: I have a Sherman III Commander at 100% with 3 secondary skills. The last one is as 90%, 13.775 XP from the next increase. A reset for Credits will give me 100% primary and that 3rd secondary at 85%.

 

As above, I mentioned that one crew member had 495XP to go from reaching the next percentage point on his 3rd skill after the retraining, how would that be possible presuming that "unassigned" - i.e. XP that lies between percentage points on skills - is assigned to the primary qualification?

 

How did he get trained to 94% on primary (instead of 90%) and remain only 495xp away from next percentage point on a skill?



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View Postall_up_in_ur_sheet, on 17 September 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

 

As above, I mentioned that one crew member had 495XP to go from reaching the next percentage point on his 3rd skill after the retraining, how would that be possible presuming that "unassigned" - i.e. XP that lies between percentage points on skills - is assigned to the primary qualification?

 

How did he get trained to 94% on primary (instead of 90%) and remain only 495xp away from next percentage point on a skill?

 

Why not try it on another crew and note the before and after.




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