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Milad06 #1 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:10 AM

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Hi,

I am just wondering why removing FV215b 183 from game? It has not been a fictional tank like many others. Also, the grind toward this tank was not pleasant at least for me. Some of AT tanks are not that bad (not fun for me though) but I see many players accept the pain (boring game play) to get their hands on FV215b 183 which is not competitive either. So, WG is now keeping all the boring ones and removing the "fun" tank? really? That makes no sense for me except they say it is not similar to other tanks in the line, so what?  I am in a grind rush to get it, I do not even know if I can do it as I am Tier 7 now. I hope they are not doing that so players use gold to get it.

Do you agree FV215b 183 removal from the game? Why?

 

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Edited by Milad06, 18 September 2017 - 11:12 AM.


Asghaad #2 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:30 AM

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its not getting removed, if you own it you will keep it

 

i for one am looking forward to getting TD that fits the line (slower, armored, insane DPM, gun depression and gun traverse) instead of the worse version of already pretty bad JPE100.

 

FV183 was fun but kinda broken with 270 pen HESH, without it there is literally no reason to take it over JPE100 as its worse than the Jaegeroo in EVERY way ...



captainpigg #3 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:41 AM

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Um the one getting removed is the tier 10 heavy FV215b 120, not the tier 10 TD FV215b 183. If you have the tier 10 heavy in your garage you keep it AND get the new Super Conqueror as well next patch.  If you have the tier 10 TD in your garage it will stay because nothing is happening to it next patch. It is the over line of british TD's that are getting attention next patch.

cro001 #4 Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:21 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 18 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

Um the one getting removed is the tier 10 heavy FV215b 120, not the tier 10 TD FV215b 183. If you have the tier 10 heavy in your garage you keep it AND get the new Super Conqueror as well next patch.  If you have the tier 10 TD in your garage it will stay because nothing is happening to it next patch. It is the over line of british TD's that are getting attention next patch.

 

FV TD might be removed as well.

 

To OP - reason why WG is "removing" FV is they figured out, once you announce that they are removing said tank a bunch of people will powergrind it. A lot of players will invest money to get it on time and it will also boost activity of server.



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View Postcro001, on 18 September 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

 

FV TD might be removed as well.

 

To OP - reason why WG is "removing" FV is they figured out, once you announce that they are removing said tank a bunch of people will powergrind it. A lot of players will invest money to get it on time and it will also boost activity of server.

 

honestly this seems really the reason or we are being really pessimistic here.

 

Milad06 #6 Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

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Well, when it is out of tech tree, no one can grind that anymore, that is what I actually meant.  (My question should have been asked more accurately)

I started this line to get FV, and now there will be none in the end. It kinda feels bad.

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 18 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

Um the one getting removed is the tier 10 heavy FV215b 120, not the tier 10 TD FV215b 183. If you have the tier 10 heavy in your garage you keep it AND get the new Super Conqueror as well next patch.  If you have the tier 10 TD in your garage it will stay because nothing is happening to it next patch. It is the over line of british TD's that are getting attention next patch.

 

https://thearmoredpa...83-replacement/

 

also in last WG patchnote video they themselves sayd FV183 is due to be replaced and shown the same model for the replacement in that video  :



Malakaz #8 Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:51 PM

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FV 183 would be now more suitable in second TD line and "new" potential  tank rly makes much more sense. There is nothing thats not preliminary and for now I would say is less certain than Chieftain ever was. If its mobile Tortoise without obvious weakspots it would be awesome imho.

Concerning grinding of this line - for me at least - it was more fun than "camp the red line" like waffle-line or even more new Swedish TD thats no further than 50m from far border of the map. AND its forgiving for beginners.  



Eokokok #9 Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:05 PM

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I think that would actually be a good idea - changing the tank that is out of place in this line for something more suited for the game style with 183 replacing retarded Stage II on the other line with some stats modified to fit better. Though the huge derp is still an iffy tier X gun.

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View PostEokokok, on 19 September 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

I think that would actually be a good idea - changing the tank that is out of place in this line for something more suited for the game style with 183 replacing retarded Stage II on the other line with some stats modified to fit better. Though the huge derp is still an iffy tier X gun.

 

I do agree, although maybe just as an alternate tank at the end of the line to the Stage 2.

 

However I am happy as I will get to keep mine.



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Well, the idea is to remove tanks that are terrible for both teams when used in battle. Post-nerf WTF100 was one of those, Stage 2 is defo another one that should be removed, since it facilitates to a game style that in general is terrible for the team that has to cover this barn while it sits doing nothing for 30s...

MickShagger #12 Posted 20 September 2017 - 11:31 AM

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Any expectations of when this vehicle will be removed from the game?

Malakaz #13 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:21 AM

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Since so far it was just a glimpse I would not been in such rush. Heavy 215b is being replaced for ... 2 years? Or more? FV4202 (->Cent AX) was announced at least 1 year as well.

Dont take me by the word, I would like to see such thinks asap and it might be sooner yet there have been ... precedents.


Edited by Malakaz, 21 September 2017 - 08:22 AM.


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View PostMalakaz, on 21 September 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

Since so far it was just a glimpse I would not been in such rush. Heavy 215b is being replaced for ... 2 years? Or more? FV4202 (->Cent AX) was announced at least 1 year as well.

Dont take me by the word, I would like to see such thinks asap and it might be sooner yet there have been ... precedents.

 

id base it more on Foch replacement that from rumors to the implementation took about 6 months, but they were rebalancing 3 vehicles instead of just replacing one so my guess is +- 4 months from now

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If there's one thing I hate about this game it simply has to be this new approach to remove tanks who are extremely good and desired by allot of people! I don't understand why does WG expect it's player base to already own all tier X's in their garage when in reality we all know just how time consuming this game can really get with or without premium! It's a fail strategy that makes people question just how ***&****$@&@!*$#@!@! hungry for money this company really is, why didn't the WTE100 get the same treatment and how many other tier X that are now grinded for will get removed in the future. Whoever thought this is a "great ideea" should understand that more and more people will actually quit because it's simply not fun to grind for a line and when you're half way there the tank/td/spg/whatever gets removed. seriously, F U all who support this road they are going on.  I guess they couldn't come up with more OP tier VIII Premiums. 

TL;DR version , If WG really cared about it's player base opinion it would keep BOTH Td's in game so that the players can CHOOSE what they want to grind for.  sadly we already know just how much WG really cares... they care to bring out wave after wave of disappointments. 


Edited by VikingsBlood, 11 November 2017 - 11:04 AM.


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https://www.youtube....h?v=pzagBTcYsYQ

 

generally not bad - bounced a lot ,much more mobile than the Tortoise - pretty good assault TD so far, but lower plate was easy to pen on enemey Badgers. (This was my first and so far only game in it - as I am experiencing internet problems and having to play over mobile wi fi - not great).

 

Edited by 15JG52Brauer, 18 November 2017 - 05:58 AM.


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View PostVikingsBlood, on 11 November 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

If there's one thing I hate about this game it simply has to be this new approach to remove tanks who are extremely good and desired by allot of people! I don't understand why does WG expect it's player base to already own all tier X's in their garage when in reality we all know just how time consuming this game can really get with or without premium! It's a fail strategy that makes people question just how ***&****$@&@!*$#@!@! hungry for money this company really is, why didn't the WTE100 get the same treatment and how many other tier X that are now grinded for will get removed in the future. Whoever thought this is a "great ideea" should understand that more and more people will actually quit because it's simply not fun to grind for a line and when you're half way there the tank/td/spg/whatever gets removed. seriously, F U all who support this road they are going on.  I guess they couldn't come up with more OP tier VIII Premiums. 

TL;DR version , If WG really cared about it's player base opinion it would keep BOTH Td's in game so that the players can CHOOSE what they want to grind for.  sadly we already know just how much WG really cares... they care to bring out wave after wave of disappointments. 

 

​Notice they don't remove powerful/OP Russian tanks. They simply bunk them down a tier (notice the Obj. 263 is now a tier 9 TD with the same 310+ front hull armour and the same guns but will face Tiger 1s and T29s at tier 7?)   or replace the same tank with a slightly different model (like when they removed the 122mm from the KV1S, then presented the KV85 with the same gun). WG never removes Russian tanks but feels no problem removing the competition. The Badger for example, while having some reliable armour, only has 272 pen? On a tier 10 TD? There are tier 8 and 9 TDs with better pen than that. (the FV183 had/has 310mm pen with standard ammo) People quote the dpm and stuff like that but if you cant pen anything, dpm is just  a worthless statistic. And its super slow. 

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FV215b (183) is OP so WoT take it out of game. OK. But thousands and thousand still left in players garage! In every game we have one. That is insane and that is DISCRIMINATION. If tank is OP and if it was removed that it must be removed from players garages. The same happened with German Waffentrager. Exceptional and wonderful TD but WOT decided to remove it because it was OP. They take it out of my garage and that was end. So the same must be done with FV215b (183) if it it OP and yes it very OP is then must be removed from game for all players. Or it must be adjusted and given to all players. 

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 17 September 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

FV215b (183) is OP so WoT take it out of game. OK. But thousands and thousand still left in players garage! In every game we have one. That is insane and that is DISCRIMINATION. If tank is OP and if it was removed that it must be removed from players garages. The same happened with German Waffentrager. Exceptional and wonderful TD but WOT decided to remove it because it was OP. They take it out of my garage and that was end. So the same must be done with FV215b (183) if it it OP and yes it very OP is then must be removed from game for all players. Or it must be adjusted and given to all players. 

 

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View PostGANDALF_WOT, on 17 September 2018 - 10:37 AM, said:

FV215b (183) is OP so WoT take it out of game. OK. But thousands and thousand still left in players garage! In every game we have one. That is insane and that is DISCRIMINATION. If tank is OP and if it was removed that it must be removed from players garages. The same happened with German Waffentrager. Exceptional and wonderful TD but WOT decided to remove it because it was OP. They take it out of my garage and that was end. So the same must be done with FV215b (183) if it it OP and yes it very OP is then must be removed from game for all players. Or it must be adjusted and given to all players. 

Thankfully, nobody listens to you and your terrible ill-thought ideas.







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