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captainpigg #1 Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:08 PM

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Reading through the forums I have seen a lot of whining about the FV215b 183 getting removed, even though the 0.9.20.1 patch notes only mention the Fv215b 120 heavy tank getting replaced. So is there some info I'm missing (if so please link), or is it a case of people being unable to read patch notes?

 

edit found the info here https://thedailybounce.net/ 

Still nothing from wargaming so why the panic? Lomion_EU advice is probhably a good idea though.


Edited by captainpigg, 18 September 2017 - 12:40 PM.


Lomion_EU #2 Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:13 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 18 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Reading through the forums I have seen a lot of whining about the FV215b 183 getting, even though the 0.9.20.1 only mention the Fv215b 120 heavy tank getting removed. So is there some info I'm missing (if so please link), or is it a case of people being unable to read patch notes?

 

The Conqueror AT is just being shown as a possible replacement for the 183, from what i read there is no confirmation that this is the case although it may be worth grinding it out just in case.

wolfsrain #3 Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:16 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 18 September 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

Reading through the forums I have seen a lot of whining about the FV215b 183 getting, even though the 0.9.20.1 only mention the Fv215b 120 heavy tank getting removed. So is there some info I'm missing (if so please link), or is it a case of people being unable to read patch notes?

 

For now is just the rumor mill from various sites. But you know what they say: there is no smoke without a fire. 

 

There are also rumors flying around about IS4 (those are actually a wee bit more than rumors, as some informations were confirmed by WG, though the words were "IS4 will be changed, but we didn't decided how"), Object 430 and 113. But none was actually offcially confirmed. 

 

The only confirmation we have is the FV215b replacement.  You could probably start and grind, just in case. But i wouldn't rush until we have an official confirmation for those rumors.

 



captainpigg #4 Posted 18 September 2017 - 12:22 PM

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View Postwolfsrain, on 18 September 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

 

For now is just the rumor mill from various sites. But you know what they say: there is no smoke without a fire. 

 

There are also rumors flying around about IS4 (those are actually a wee bit more than rumors, as some informations were confirmed by WG, though the words were "IS4 will be changed, but we didn't decided how"), Object 430 and 113. But none was actually offcially confirmed. 

 

The only confirmation we have is the FV215b replacement.  You could probably start and grind, just in case. But i wouldn't rush until we have an official confirmation for those rumors.

 

 

The IS4 and ST-I turrets and names are going to be changed whilst leaving the hulls alone. 

The reason I ask is that the only info I've seen are player proposal tech trees on the forums, but nothing from the usual sources; status report etc.



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Fv215b heavy is being replaced next patch (estimate 3-5 weeks).

Fv215b 183 tank destroyer is currently being speculated getting replaced later on, but won't happen in the next two months for sure.



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View Postwolfsrain, on 18 September 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

For now is just the rumor mill from various sites. But you know what they say: there is no smoke without a fire. 

 

The only confirmation we have is the FV215b replacement.  You could probably start and grind, just in case. But i wouldn't rush until we have an official confirmation for those rumors.

 

 

Actually no. WG has more or less confirmed that the 183 is becoming a special vehicle. They just did not say when

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The informations appeared on various sites like Armored Patrol or Daily Bounce, but there are no official confirmations for FV215b 183. So, business as usual until we get an official confirmation.

 

As for IS4, even that isn't properly confirmed, as they still think about it. They have two options on the table: one is the swap you've mentioned, the other is the replacement of IS4 with ST-II and the same treatment as with Foch 155. We will see what WG will choose when they will decide.

 

You know how the rumor mill works: someone says something that might make actual sense and people will spread it further without proper checking. 

 

In any way, i think you will have plenty of time to get to 215b 183,  if you choose to believe all those speculations. 



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View Postwolfsrain, on 18 September 2017 - 12:48 PM, said:

The informations appeared on various sites like Armored Patrol or Daily Bounce, but there are no official confirmations for FV215b 183. So, business as usual until we get an official confirmation.

 

 

Again... as I said above. It's been confirmed by WG.

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View Postwolfsrain, on 18 September 2017 - 11:48 AM, said:

The informations appeared on various sites like Armored Patrol or Daily Bounce, but there are no official confirmations for FV215b 183. So, business as usual until we get an official confirmation.

 

As for IS4, even that isn't properly confirmed, as they still think about it. They have two options on the table: one is the swap you've mentioned, the other is the replacement of IS4 with ST-II and the same treatment as with Foch 155. We will see what WG will choose when they will decide.

 

You know how the rumor mill works: someone says something that might make actual sense and people will spread it further without proper checking. 

 

In any way, i think you will have plenty of time to get to 215b 183,  if you choose to believe all those speculations. 

 

Watch the video that Balc0ra posted, it has been confirmed by WG that the Death Star is being replaced, its the date that's not confirmed but as its announced I would expect it will be in two patches time, with the net patch bringing in the Super Conq replacement for the FV215B 120

 

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View PostDangerMouse, on 18 September 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

 

Watch the video that Balc0ra posted, it has been confirmed by WG that the Death Star is being replaced, its the date that's not confirmed but as its announced I would expect it will be in two patches time, with the net patch bringing in the Super Conq replacement for the FV215B 120

 

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Well they said during gamescom that until March next year, all patches will focus on balance on older tanks and premiums, line changes to make the lines and grinds more consistent all the way to tier X.  And the new 30 vs 30 mode etc. And the patches will be about 10 weeks apart give or take. So going by that, we know there will be at least 2 more balance patches with more possible line changes, excluding the next one ofc.  So 183 might be in one of those two coming after the current one.

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I hope the 183 isn't being replaced, I want it eventually but the AT tanks make me want to die.

Lord_Edge #12 Posted 18 September 2017 - 03:16 PM

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View PostMatcorr, on 18 September 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

I hope the 183 isn't being replaced, I want it eventually but the AT tanks make me want to die.

 

Sadly this is where the game seems to be heading, remove all the tanks that don't quite fit in their line and replace them with made up tanks that do, even if it's a real tank being replaced >.>

 

Next will probably be the T-10 being replaced by the "Super Dooper IS-3" lol.



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Just been to check how much grinding it would entail for the 15b. Already unlocked lol

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View PostUbersonic, on 18 September 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

Sadly this is where the game seems to be heading, remove all the tanks that don't quite fit in their line and replace them with made up tanks that do, even if it's a real tank being replaced >.>

Care to show a single photo of this particular "real tank", the FV215b (183)?



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This change makes perfect sense though. The FV completely different from the rest of the line. Plus it would give some kind of reason to research the turreted British TD line as it would be the only way to get the 183 cannon. The only reason at the moment is the Charioteer and let's face it, in the age of the Skorpion I don't even remember the last time I took it out

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View PostSpurtung, on 18 September 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Care to show a single photo of this particular "real tank", the FV215b (183)?

 

What I meant was that it was a real design, not something WG made up (A la FV215b), or just an evolution of an existing tank that somebody suggested but nothing was ever done about (A la Foch 155).  The FV215b 183 was a real design that was cancelled due to being superseded but not before it had blueprints produced and  wooden mock ups made, and it's gun was even built and tested (and later used to create the FV4005 by mounting it to a Centurion hull instead).

 

 

View PostSirTogII, on 18 September 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

This change makes perfect sense though. The FV completely different from the rest of the line.

I do get this idea, but if they want all the lines to feel the same regardless of historical accuracy then why don't they remove the Centurions and replace them with Super Cromwells/Comets to continue the Cruiser line, why don't the remove the T-10 which due to being a generation ahead of the IS-3/IS-7 feel nothing like either of them.  There are literally dozens of tanks that either don't feel like the one before/after them or the line in general.

 

I'm not a fan of WG doing this, but if they believe it will make the game better I am okay with it.  However as a collector I am fundamentally opposed to the idea of removing a tank from the game (or at least making it inaccessible to players who don't already have it) when it happens to be a real design that people may want to collect, and not just something WG made up or fabricated from an idea somebody had that was never acted on.


Edited by Ubersonic, 18 September 2017 - 03:52 PM.


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View PostSpurtung, on 18 September 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Care to show a single photo of this particular "real tank", the FV215b (183)?

 

Spoiler

 

 

http://www.tanks-enc...heavy-gun-tank/

 

took me about 30 seconds to find via google ...



Aikl #18 Posted 18 September 2017 - 04:30 PM

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View PostAsghaad, on 18 September 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

Spoiler

 

 

http://www.tanks-enc...heavy-gun-tank/

 

took me about 30 seconds to find via google ...

 

 

This took me about 20:

 

The wooden mock-up of FV 215b, the Heavy Anti-Tank SP mounting a 180 mm gun.



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View PostAikl, on 18 September 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

 

 

This took me about 20:

 

The wooden mock-up of FV 215b, the Heavy Anti-Tank SP mounting a 180 mm gun.

 

Makes it more real than a lot of tonks in the game. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 18 September 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

Makes it more real than a lot of tonks in the game. 

 

True. 

 

 

 

I guess even Panzerkampfwagen IX/X are still more real than Chinese TDs. :D

 

(Yes, I know that the Panzer IX/X were meant to mislead Allied intelligence or whatever, not actual proposals. Still, they kind of look too good to not stem from someone knowledgeable about tank design if you ask me. Chinese TDs... well, there's a reason they look so close to Soviet TDs.)


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