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podbot #1 Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:29 PM

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Hello... I some days back bought a STG guard... but there is small bonus with it we have interesting design but we can't set any camouflage on it...That means any uber premium tank with desgin(STG Guard; Defender and Scorpion G and others) cannot have a camouflage invisible if you buy it in hangar under your specific design. When you buy a tank its not even saying that when you will not be able to use any camouflage or this design works with camouflage... In our game have bad players some rushers games ends in 3mins when everyone is destroyer but there is some players with skill for who those 3-5% camouflage will help to stay more longer alive...  In image you can se there is text "Nekas netika atrasts - nothing was found" 
 

Please WG team fix this problem i and other players spend 40eiro for a design tank who cannot be ugraded 100% its not normal,,,


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View Postpodbot, on 18 September 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Hello... I some days back bought a STG guard... but there is small bonus with it we have interesting design but we can't set any camouflage on it...That means any uber premium tank with desgin(STG Guard; Defender and Scorpion G and others) cannot have a camouflage invisible if you buy it in hangar under your specific design. When you buy a tank its not even saying that when you will not be able to use any camouflage or this design works with camouflage... In our game have bad players some rushers games ends in 3mins when everyone is destroyer but there is some players with skill for who those 3-5% camouflage will help to stay more longer alive...  In image you can se there is text "Nekas netika atrasts - nothing was found" 
 

Please WG team fix this problem i and other players spend 40eiro for a design tank who cannot be ugraded 100% its not normal,,,

u do know that the extra camo value is already added with the Guard camo scheme


Edited by storm4710, 18 September 2017 - 05:34 PM.


arthurwellsley #3 Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:40 PM

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View Postpodbot, on 18 September 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Hello... I some days back bought a STG guard... but there is small bonus with it we have interesting design but we can't set any camouflage on it...That means any uber premium tank with desgin(STG Guard; Defender and Scorpion G and others) cannot have a camouflage invisible if you buy it in hangar under your specific design. When you buy a tank its not even saying that when you will not be able to use any camouflage or this design works with camouflage... In our game have bad players some rushers games ends in 3mins when everyone is destroyer but there is some players with skill for who those 3-5% camouflage will help to stay more longer alive...  In image you can se there is text "Nekas netika atrasts - nothing was found" 
 

Please WG team fix this problem i and other players spend 40eiro for a design tank who cannot be ugraded 100% its not normal,,,

 

Hello and welcome to the forums.

 

My post from November 2016 explains the mechanics of painted on camo for tanks such as Patriot, Blackdog, Liberte, Scorpion G, Defender, and of course Guard.

 

The maths of how it is done is interesting;

 

http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1



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View Postpodbot, on 18 September 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Please WG team fix this problem i and other players spend 40eiro for a design tank who cannot be ugraded 100% its not normal,,,

 

So basically you spent € 40,- without actually fully understanding what it is you bought? Seems legit, carry on.



250swb #5 Posted 18 September 2017 - 09:36 PM

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Any premium tanks in the clown camo scheme have in theory exactly the same camo as a standard version of the same tank with paid for camo from the garage. So, everything is working as it should.

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 18 September 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

 

So basically you spent € 40,- without actually fully understanding what it is you bought? Seems legit, carry on.

 

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Aikl #7 Posted 18 September 2017 - 10:43 PM

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View PostMooncup, on 18 September 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

 

​Boozy night, Kings Cross, I think he got off lightly, which is more than I can say

 

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Mike_Mckay #8 Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:44 AM

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View Post250swb, on 18 September 2017 - 08:36 PM, said:

Any premium tanks in the clown camo scheme have in theory exactly the same camo as a standard version of the same tank with paid for camo from the garage. So, everything is working as it should.

 

I don't think its the same tbh, adding "proper" cammo gives a higher value on at least some of the schizophrenic tanks, possibly all of them

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View PostMike_Mckay, on 19 September 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

 

I don't think its the same tbh, adding "proper" cammo gives a higher value on at least some of the schizophrenic tanks, possibly all of them

 

It's explained in arthurwellsley's link. Basically:

 

When you don't have camo skills, clown version has better camo than regular version with no paint, but regular version with paint has better camo than clown version.

 

When you have full camo crew, vents, foods and bia, THEN the clown tank and regular version WITH camo will have the exact same camo value.



Mike_Mckay #10 Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:20 AM

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View PostK_A, on 19 September 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

 

It's explained in arthurwellsley's link. Basically:

 

When you don't have camo skills, clown version has better camo than regular version with no paint, but regular version with paint has better camo than clown version.

 

When you have full camo crew, vents, foods and bia, THEN the clown tank and regular version WITH camo will have the exact same camo value.

 

Panzer mutz and Schwartz panzer with the same crew same values


IS6, IS6 B, same crew 8.96 with added cammo, 8.06 for black variant


Mutz and schwarts have identical values whatever crew I put in there, IS6 and IS6 B have different values regardless of what crew goes in there


As I said, "some" seem to be different, I think QB did a similar test with the defender/252U and found the vanilla one with added cammo was slightly better than the clown variant

Edited by Mike_Mckay, 19 September 2017 - 02:21 AM.


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The "special" version are better when all is added.

 

The following examples have all crew skills, food and vents.

Camonet and bond stuff not added.

 

  Concealment Concealment of Stationary Concealment of Moving
252U 247 15,72 /  2,83 8,86 / 1,59
Defender 252 15,97 / 2,87 9,11 / 1,64
T34 157 9,79 / 1,76 5,84 / 1,05
T34 B 162 10,05 / 1,81 6,10 / 1,10

 

 

 



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View PostMike_Mckay, on 19 September 2017 - 03:20 AM, said:

Mutz and schwarts have identical values whatever crew I put in there, IS6 and IS6 B have different values regardless of what crew goes in there



As I said, "some" seem to be different, I think QB did a similar test with the defender/252U and found the vanilla one with added cammo was slightly better than the clown variant

Because Mutz is NOT a basic tank. It has a paintjob, just like Skorpion does. Making that black doesn't change a thing.

 

You should be comparing T34 with T34B, IS-6 with IS-6B, Patriot with T26E5, etc.

 

And in ALL of those, basic version with applied camo is better until the crew trains camo themselves, then the already painted versions are better.



Mike_Mckay #13 Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:14 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 19 September 2017 - 06:15 AM, said:

Because Mutz is NOT a basic tank. It has a paintjob, just like Skorpion does. Making that black doesn't change a thing.

 

You should be comparing T34 with T34B, IS-6 with IS-6B, Patriot with T26E5, etc.

 

And in ALL of those, basic version with applied camo is better until the crew trains camo themselves, then the already painted versions are better.

 

But the claim was that they are the "same" not that one is better than the other which they clearly are


And being crew trainers most of their working lives they wont have full trained cammo crews, especially with a heavy brawler where its one of the least important skills

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I'd like too see WoWS style perma camos for tanks.

Mike_Mckay #15 Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:20 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 19 September 2017 - 06:15 AM, said:

Because Mutz is NOT a basic tank. It has a paintjob, just like Skorpion does. Making that black doesn't change a thing.

 

You should be comparing T34 with T34B, IS-6 with IS-6B, Patriot with T26E5, etc.

 

And in ALL of those, basic version with applied camo is better until the crew trains camo themselves, then the already painted versions are better.

 

I know the mutz and Schwartz are clown tanks, that's why I ALSO included the IS6 and IS6B, to show the "black" cammo was no different to any other clown tank because it was the IS6 and IS6 B I was actually using to show they were "different" and not the same to highlight that a black clown paint isn't "special" or "different" to a normal clown paint


Why tell me I "should" compare the IS6/IS6 B when in that actual post I clearly had?

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View PostMike_Mckay, on 19 September 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

I know the mutz and Schwartz are clown tanks, that's why I ALSO included the IS6 and IS6B, to show the "black" cammo was no different to any other clown tank because it was the IS6 and IS6 B I was actually using to show they were "different" and not the same to highlight that a black clown paint isn't "special" or "different" to a normal clown paint


Why tell me I "should" compare the IS6/IS6 B when in that actual post I clearly had?

 

I was mostly commenting on your last bit, really. And the "you should" part is not to you personally, but more "people should". Also, why did you end up quoting me twice?

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Oh yeah lol, hadn't noticed those were both the same post lol, duh@me,


Coulda just edited the first one if I'd noticed

 

 

 

 

 

As an aside, considering the amount of trivial and inane stuff people incessantly whinge about on these forums I'm amazed nobody has complained about the clown tanks costing the same as the normal variant when to make it "similar" you have to then spend another 600 gold on cammo


The vanilla versions "should" effectively be cheaper by a relative amount or come with a free set of cammos of your choosing you can add to them


Also surprised the "buy one get one half price" thing vanishing barely caused a murmur too. It was a good idea considering the severe lack of work or effort required to make multiple versions of the same tank, and would probably have resulted in more second versions selling too


But it obviously doesn't fit in with the wallet gouging ethos lol :)


Edited by Mike_Mckay, 19 September 2017 - 02:54 PM.


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View Postarthurwellsley, on 18 September 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

.....The maths of how it is done is interesting;

 

http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1

Wow, that's a solution I'd never guessed in a million years :-O

Thanks for explaining! Was just busy ranting about why WG decided to screw the clown tanks over and at the same time missing out on an opportunity to sell camo for the clowns, like they do for the Berlin quartet. 

Good info



vasilinhorulezz #19 Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:04 PM

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I'm pretty sure the paintjob on tanks gives less % camo (I think it's 2%) than applying camo on a tank by yourself (3%), but I could be wrong.

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View PostJethro_Grey, on 19 September 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

I'd like too see WoWS style perma camos for tanks.

 

Well wows camo don't work the same way as WOT camo does, it's not just limited to detection alone. And the other camo's you can buy, even for real money are just valid for one battle, not for an unlimited time. But unlike WOT, the bonus XP % we get based on the premium tanks tier is in their camo, not the ship. And it's a 30% flat bonus regardless of tier. Other camos won via daily crates can get that to 100%. So they have a different system, thus they get premium camo with an unlimited resupply, to get some of the same bonuses... we have in our tank status alone.






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