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YFnepc #1 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:35 PM

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I recently got the IS-4 and i dont understand people calling it bad or weak. It has awesome armor and a good enough gun. Its playstyle is unique and it works well. With regards to the rumors of moving it back down or replacing it: please dont move it down. Its a really good and especially fun tank to play at tier 10 and downgrading it would be sad. If it gets the foch treatment im fine but please dont move it to tier 9. It has so much going for it! Not popular doesnt mean bad. Its awesome!

 

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Balc0ra #2 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:47 PM

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It's not moving down. They have talked about replacing it. As in that it don't fit the rest of the line. As the new idea is to get the end tank to represent the line as a whole, not just stand out on it's own like some do atm. As the tanks before it are slow, well armored etc. This is more mobile and not that well armored vs equal tier HT's. So they talked about adding the ST-II instead. But as you said, it's just rumors. Nothing final.

 

But if they do change it out with a new tank. You still get to keep the IS-4. As with the French Foch 155 change, and the next British FV215 change, along with the upcoming 183b change. You get the new tier X, and get to keep the old tier X as special premium vehicle. As in a crew trainer.

 

As WG said recently.. it's the new practice. So if they do change it, you still get to keep the IS-4. So if you liked the old style more, you can still play it.



YFnepc #3 Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:50 PM

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Yeah bit there was a interview with murazor where he said it could move to tier 9. Thats what i want to adress. The foch treatment is all fine for me

H311fi5h #4 Posted 19 September 2017 - 12:04 AM

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Come on, the IS-4 is a complete turd of a tank. Just compare it to the 113. It's much faster, has a way better gun, and almost the same level of armor protection (weaker lfp but better at sidescraping).

 

However, I would not like for the IS-4 to share the Foch 155's fate. It is a series production tank. Removing the track links on the lfp, lowering the hit points and slightly nerfing the gun would make for a nice tier 9. I'm sure there is more than enough Soviet prototype heavy tanks to find a third tier 10. Then the old line can go ST-I -> ST-II.



Balc0ra #5 Posted 19 September 2017 - 12:06 AM

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View PostYFnepc, on 18 September 2017 - 11:50 PM, said:

Yeah bit there was a interview with murazor where he said it could move to tier 9. Thats what i want to adress. The foch treatment is all fine for me

 

That was what? 6 months ago or so? WG office have had some staff changes since then "murazor is still there tho", along with a change of practice as indicated by Anton Pankov in their last few videos. Thus all the drastic changes of late with new directions. As the idea about line consistency was not something they had back when that story first leaked vs now. And moving that down to tier 9 now, makes all the changes on tier X of late rather pointless. As that makes the line even more inconsistent. As pr the reasons for the tier X changes of late, or even the upcoming T71 changes, and addition of a second one to split the lines into clip guns and single fire.

 

And if they did that, as in removing the ST-I for the IS-4 on tier 9 for the ST-II on tier X vs the past tier X changes and their practice... I suspect there would be a riot. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 19 September 2017 - 12:08 AM.


SirTogII #6 Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

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The tank that has been unlocked for 5 years but still not bought... Tell you what tho, I would fkin riot if they removed the ST1!!!

Homer_J #7 Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:44 PM

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View PostYFnepc, on 18 September 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

don't move the IS-4 back down to tier 9

 

Move it to tier 8 instead.:great:

 

Make IS-4 Great Again!



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View PostH311fi5h, on 18 September 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

Come on, the IS-4 is a complete turd of a tank. Just compare it to the 113. It's much faster, has a way better gun, and almost the same level of armor protection (weaker lfp but better at sidescraping).

 

 

I'd rather face an IS7 than an IS4..... just something about it, i cant seem to kill it... 



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View PostSirTogII, on 19 September 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

The tank that has been unlocked for 5 years but still not bought... Tell you what tho, I would fkin riot if they removed the ST1!!!

 

5 years ago you were 2 months away from creating your account.

Cobra6 #10 Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:19 PM

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IS-4 was awesome on tier 9, why would you *NOT* want it down there again?

 

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SirTogII #11 Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:04 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 19 September 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

5 years ago you were 2 months away from creating your account.

Close enough. Third tier 10 researched I believe. 



UrQuan #12 Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:44 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 19 September 2017 - 02:19 PM, said:

IS-4 was awesome on tier 9, why would you *NOT* want it down there again?

 

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Which was the reason it got moved to tier 10. Seems IS-4 is too good for Tier 9, but too weak for tier 10. then again, alot has changed over the years, so a re-evaluation of the IS-4 is in order methinks. It's mainly the gunhandling imo, it's from a different era in WoT.

 

With that said, WG is indeed attempting to make their tech trees more uniform. In that regard, the ST-I sticks out in the line & the IS-4 in a lesser manner, as the KV (KV-1 /  T-150 / KV-3 / KV-4 ) tanks tend to be all boxy tanks with strong side-armors that have great angling capacities but a weaker turret. ST-I falls furthest from this as it's turret is the main strong point, while the hull isn't as reliable to angle due to the shoulders. IS-4 is a bit more in line, but also suffers form inability to angle due to pikenose. Albeit the way the hull & pikenose is laid out, both ST-I & IS-4 can angle, but not as intuitively as the classic boxy tanks.

Over the years there's been alot of rumours of the ST-I & IS-4 and what WG plans for them, from switching them in the tech tree, to replacing them & other options. So for now, I'll wait & check for any official response regarding the matter. 


Edited by UrQuan, 19 September 2017 - 04:44 PM.


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IS4 was a good tier IX. It is not a good tier X.

Lord_Edge #14 Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:59 PM

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The IS-4 is a one tank paradox, the armour is OP at tier 7/8 and the gun is useless at T9/X.  So the only way to fix it was to either nerf the armour, which as it's basically a roided up IS-2 would end up making it just an IS-2, or to give it a fictional tier-X gun.  Obviously they went with the latter.

StronkiTonki #15 Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:39 PM

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Am I the only one who greatly prefers the IS-4 over the IS-7? Not even a bit, just really greatly, without any doubt.

The accuracy on the IS-7 is just way too derpy, much rather have a bit less alpha for a more reliable punch.

Also feels better to make my armor useful by angling it and using my super strong sides to lure in shots at my angled side, instead of having to deal with a terrible pike nose with giant LFP that takes shells no matter how well you angle it.



Soviet_Josie #16 Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:02 PM

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IS4...very dissapointed, slow, armor doesnt work, and the gun: good pen, but lot of miss after full aim...

 

It need's a very hard buff!



Uebergewicht #17 Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:25 PM

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IS-4 was my first tier 10 and even then I was not particularly hyped to get it. Just doesnt feel like an upgrade over the ST-1, as you loose what the ST-1 brought to the line (awesome turret and some gun depression) in exchange for some mobility. And the armor isnt that great, especially not against gold rounds. It´s the only tier 10 heavy which is so sluggish that has to worry about people penning its upper front plate with AP.

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View PostStronkiTonki, on 19 September 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Am I the only one who greatly prefers the IS-4 over the IS-7? Not even a bit, just really greatly, without any doubt.

The accuracy on the IS-7 is just way too derpy, much rather have a bit less alpha for a more reliable punch.

Also feels better to make my armor useful by angling it and using my super strong sides to lure in shots at my angled side, instead of having to deal with a terrible pike nose with giant LFP that takes shells no matter how well you angle it.

 

Yeah im pretty sure you are the only one.. And IS-7 derpy ? mate the IS-4 has Foch 155 level of derpy to it , not even speaking about the horrid bloom of turning the turret / tank paired with one of slowest aimtimes ( alot thanks to massive bloom ).




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