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WG is adjusting UK heavies, But no buffs for FV201?


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MR_FIAT #1 Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:05 PM

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This tank needs a buff badly, right now its completely unplayable because it only has bad points and litteraly nothing going for it. its slow, bad gun and no armor whatshowever. oh yea and you get to figth tier 9 tanks all day so you cant even penn 90% of the targets even with gold. its worst in class in almost every parameter even when it first came out it was the worst heavy on tier 7.

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They are focusing mostly on the tier 8-9-10 now so its not getting buff. Black Prince and Churchill VII also got entirely ignored even though its obvious they need buffs badly.

 

They said that the tier 5-7 will be focused after tier 8-10, and they did mention "lowtier overhaul" at some point, so there is that. They now buff/rework/nerf tier 8-10s for next few patches and then starts going down more.



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The accuracy is the biggest problem with it.

I think that's all that it needs, to be very honest.

0.39 accuracy is just LAUGHABLE for a 17 pdr on tier 7. Worse than any other british heavy, with the exception of the tier 5 excelsior, and also worse than tanks that use the same gun.

It does go to say that the FV201 (A45) has noticably better DPM than it's standard tier 7 counterpart, the Churchill VII.

 

Tier 5 Churchill I: 75mm with 0.36 accuracy

Tier 5 Excelsior: 75mm with 0.42 accuracy, the only tank with worse accuracy, that deserves the same top gun as the Churchill I.

Tier 6 Churchill VII: Comparable 77mm  with 0.36 accuracy

Tier 6 TOG II*: same 17-pdr with 0.36 accuracy

Tier 7 Black Prince: same 17-pdr with 0.34 accuracy

Tier 8 Caernarvon: 20-pdr with 0.32 accuracy

Tier 9 Conqueror: 120mm with 0.33 accuracy

Tier 10 FV215V: 120mm with 0.33 accuracy

 

Clearly the accuracy stays at 0.36 and gets better at the higher tiers. To have 0.39 is just horrible. It should at least have something between 0.34 and 0.36.

 

And yes, the Excelsior deserves some love too. If it would just get the same gun as the top gun of the Churchill I, maybe with slight worse rate of fire or something, it would be a far more usable tank, and you would not have to load premium ammo for the sides of KV-1's.



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Black Prince is not even up for adjustments. So if they focus on tier 7 or down, who knows. For know they are focusing on tier 8+. And the tier 8 works even worse in a +2 game.

Search_Warrant #5 Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:23 AM

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You cant save a tank with a 17 pounder. challanger showed this. they wont remove the gun and stick a (also crap) 20 pounder on it becuase the change would be too much id guess, or SOMEONE would complain. british tanks cant buffed enough to warrent that utter failure of a gun, 20/17 fail pounder.

Edited by Search_Warrant, 20 September 2017 - 09:24 AM.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 20 September 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

You cant save a tank with a 17 pounder. challanger showed this. they wont remove the gun and stick a (also crap) 20 pounder on it becuase the change would be too much id guess, or SOMEONE would complain. british tanks cant buffed enough to warrent that utter failure of a gun, 20/17 fail pounder.

 

As I mentioned in my forum topic about the FV201 here: Linky!  Please have a look at it and leave your thoughts, I've been trying to get people to put it all in one place.
It would absolutely be the right thing to give it a 20-pdr of some sort, it was meant to have it. People can complain all they want, it's well known that British tanks simply aren't up to par in most cases.

 

Moreover, they gave the Caernarvon a higher alpha gun. Makes even more sense to pull up the FV201 to the same standard.


Edited by MrEdweird, 20 September 2017 - 03:52 PM.


Balc0ra #7 Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:53 PM

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View PostMrEdweird, on 20 September 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

 

As I mentioned in my forum topic about the FV201 here: Linky!
It would absolutely be the right thing to give it a 20-pdr of some sort, it was meant to have it. People can complain all they want, it's well known that British tanks simply aren't up to par in most cases.

 

It's a logical step if you consider that they are removing the 20 pdr on the tier 8/9 HT's, and adding the 32 instead. But then again the 20 pdr was equally useless with it's ROF on tier 8 tbh. With the exception of the AT-15. FV and BP do fine when top tier. But that 17 pdr is a hinder in a tier 9 game. And considering they said the same about the Challenger, and adding the 32 pdr to that as well. It would make "sense" to add the 20 pdr on tier 7. As the 17 pdr is great on tier 5-6 TD's. But less so on tier 7 HT's.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 20 September 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

It's a logical step if you consider that they are removing the 20 pdr on the tier 8/9 HT's, and adding the 32 instead. But then again the 20 pdr was equally useless with it's ROF on tier 8 tbh. With the exception of the AT-15. FV and BP do fine when top tier. But that 17 pdr is a hinder in a tier 9 game. And considering they said the same about the Challenger, and adding the 32 pdr to that as well. It would make "sense" to add the 20 pdr on tier 7. As the 17 pdr is great on tier 5-6 TD's. But less so on tier 7 HT's.

 

Yeah, I edited my post to mention this. :)

20pdr is not exactly amazing in terms of DPM at tier 8, but it should do quite nicely at tier 7! Then we'll have something British be best-in-class for once. At least I don't think there are any other 220+ pen tier 7 HTs?

 

Here's a quick kitbash of the Fv201 as I want it.


Edited by MrEdweird, 20 September 2017 - 05:43 PM.


MR_FIAT #9 Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:28 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 September 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

Black Prince is not even up for adjustments. So if they focus on tier 7 or down, who knows. For know they are focusing on tier 8+. And the tier 8 works even worse in a +2 game.

 

They are changing the challenger which is a tier 7 so i dont see why they have to skip the BP/FV201, they sure are inconsistent....




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