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The_fake_sniper #1 Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:09 PM

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Hey Tankers.

 

This topic is about past changes to updates that have not effected the tank line but have affected the tank itself. Whether it will be the changes to guns or the speeds of the engine. hopefully this topic is where people can come and put in suggestions that could be seen by the developers, to hopefully turn back to the old modules that have been taken off or add new ones to compensate for it.

 

Please write in the topic:

 

  • The tank name
  • The module that has been taken off
  • The module that has been the replacement (if it has been replaced)
  • What you would want to see as a resolution and why...

 

To start off with. I would like to put forward a suggestion that will hopefully put this tank back in its place and make it epic again as it once was:

  • the tank is the tier 5 heavy O-I exp.
  • the module is the 10 cm Cannon Type 14
  • since the last few updates, i have noticed that the awesome tier 6 gun from the o-i exp research has been taken off completely and not replaced by anything. this is very confusing and bad because the next tank (o-i) features the 10 and 15cm howitzers. Surely the o-i exp, which looks and follows in the same footsteps, Should be given something along the lines of those guns.

 

Hopefully you agree and now list your thoughts on this and other tank modules...maxresdefault.jpg



c0keb0ttle #2 Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

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That gun was remove purely for gameplay reasons. And good riddance.

 



qpranger #3 Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:25 PM

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"Changes" is plural, therefore the thread title needs "don't" at the end, not "doesn't". 



The_fake_sniper #4 Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:59 PM

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i think that i do have a point though because the o-i is now completely different from the experimental version. i was very sad too see that gun go and now that tank is slow and very under powered for its tier and how big it is in proportion to damage given.

Edited by The_fake_sniper, 19 September 2017 - 10:00 PM.


Homer_J #5 Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:24 PM

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Hahahahahahahaha...

 

Your OP tank got a well deserved adjustment and you try to play it like you were badly done to.

 

Well, we can all play that game, how about getting the 107mm gun back on the SU-85 and the KV-2 turret and 152mm gun back on the KV-1. :trollface:



AliceUnchained #6 Posted 20 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

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Removal of the German Tier IX Maybach HL 234 from the Tiger II (and the game). Obviously the Tiger II was way too fast, making it OP...

 

I still have it: 

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lord_chipmonk #7 Posted 20 September 2017 - 01:50 PM

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Just to say that the OI-Exp was hideously OP and should never have been released with that 10cm gun. Good riddance, but it too way too long. 

StinkyStonky #8 Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:49 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 19 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

"Changes" is plural, therefore the thread title needs "don't" at the end, not "doesn't". 

 

I couldn't care fewer.

Geno1isme #9 Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:31 PM

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While the old 10cm on the O-I definitely was way overpowered, I have to agree with the OP that removing it witout a replacement created a gap. The 12cm derp is lackluster due to horrible shell speed (literally the shells are almost slower than some tanks) on top of the usual derp limitations, the 7.5cm guns aren't really suitable as slow heavy tank guns even though the DPM is nice.

 

So either they have to buff the 12cm to be a proper derp-gun, add a new regular cannon on par with the 85mm of the KV-1, or restore the 10cm with nerfed stats.



Dava_117 #10 Posted 20 September 2017 - 06:58 PM

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Bring back BL-10 for ISU-152.

It was historical and it was litteraly what made ISU special.

Or at least increase accuracy of the new gun so we can aim weackspot on superheavy.



Bucifel #11 Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:11 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 20 September 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Bring back BL-10 for ISU-152.

It was historical and it was litteraly what made ISU special.

Or at least increase accuracy of the new gun so we can aim weackspot on superheavy.

 

weakspots..?

what weakspots??

 



Balc0ra #12 Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:15 PM

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View PostThe_fake_sniper, on 19 September 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

To start off with. I would like to put forward a suggestion that will hopefully put this tank back in its place and make it epic again as it once was:

  • the tank is the tier 5 heavy O-I exp.
  • the module is the 10 cm Cannon Type 14

 

It could two shot any equal tier tank in about 10 seconds. Even a HT. It had nothing to do in tier 5 tbh.

 

View PostDava_117, on 20 September 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Bring back BL-10 for ISU-152.

It was historical and it was litteraly what made ISU special.

Or at least increase accuracy of the new gun so we can aim weackspot on superheavy.

 

I can't say I notice much difference, not like accuracy was the strong point of the old gun even. Sure it was "historical". But if they nerfed it on pen alone and did keep the name, I suspect you still would have put that up. 

lord_chipmonk #13 Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:19 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 20 September 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

the 7.5cm guns aren't really suitable as slow heavy tank guns

 

And yet they are what most of the other tier 5 heavies have to put up with. So honestly, no, I don't think there needs to be a middle ground. 



Nishi_Kinuyo #14 Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:22 PM

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It is still a pretty darn stronk tankov with the 7.5cm.

Just not an easy-mode sealclubber anymore.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 20 September 2017 - 07:23 PM.


Dava_117 #15 Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:31 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 20 September 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

 

It could two shot any equal tier tank in about 10 seconds. Even a HT. It had nothing to do in tier 5 tbh.

 

 

I can't say I notice much difference, not like accuracy was the strong point of the old gun even. Sure it was "historical". But if they nerfed it on pen alone and did keep the name, I suspect you still would have put that up. 

 

Yes, I still find it enjoiable, but now I have to aim at type weackspot to pen type 4-5, and with that accuracy is almost impossible. 

Edited by Dava_117, 20 September 2017 - 08:07 PM.


malachi6 #16 Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:53 AM

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Read the news article which explains why the gun was removed.

 

"The huge-for-tier-V penetration with the 105mm gun made the O-I Experimental. a one-shotting monster."

 

https://worldoftanks...cle-rebalances/

 

Tank was seriously broken.  It really did need a change.



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How can they even think a 105mm gun on a tier V heavy tank is okay is beyond me..

Spurtung #18 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:05 AM

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The really funny part is that, despite it being an OP tank for its tier, OP managed 348 average damage and an all time high of 953.

Pandabird #19 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:17 AM

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I absolutely positively sucked at the OI exp with the 10cm gun

 

Dunno how to play it if it's even worse now



Geno1isme #20 Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 20 September 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

And yet they are what most of the other tier 5 heavies have to put up with. So honestly, no, I don't think there needs to be a middle ground. 

 

Lets take a look:

https://tanks.gg/com...hill-i~bdr-g1-b

- KV-1 and KV-1S have a 85mm and the option to mount a proper 122mm derp or a 57mm for superior DPM and accuracy

- Vk 30-01 H has a 75mm, but much better penetration and accuracy with no armor and therefore was always more of a sniper than a real heavy

- BDR has a very decent 90mm

 

That leaves the T1 and the Churchill with comparable guns, where the latter has slightly better alpha, penetration and accuracy, and the T1 always being more of a heavy med than a full heavy.

 

The problem isn't that medium-caliber guns on a heavy don't work. But they need a proper platform to work. The O-I always had the massive disadvantage of being a huge target (much bigger than the KV-1, the BDR or even the already big T1), and with the massive speed limitation that has become an even bigger problem. And now on top you need to expose yourself constantly to make use of the DPM advantage of the 75mm guns. While the armor was improved significantly, it's not good enough to deal with that level of exposure. And as none of its successors is a DPM tank enforcing that playstyle on the T5 doesn't make much sense.







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