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Super Conqueror "soft" gun stats - any info?


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270_Winchester #1 Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:06 AM

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I've looked everywhere and I can't seem to find any info about it? 

Nishi_Kinuyo #2 Posted 20 September 2017 - 11:36 AM

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Think I read somewhere that it gets the same handling as the Sherridan. :trollface:

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270_Winchester #3 Posted 20 September 2017 - 11:47 AM

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...If it gets soft stats of 105 mm sheridan gun, that would be awsome :rolleyes:

Nishi_Kinuyo #4 Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:52 PM

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View Post270_Winchester, on 20 September 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

...If it gets soft stats of 105 mm sheridan gun, that would be awsome :rolleyes:

I meant the derp of course. :trollface:



Sfinski #5 Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:14 PM

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Sheridan actually has worse values than 215b when moving and traversing, so rather not have those soft stats.

cro001 #6 Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:24 PM

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Might be outdated tho. But with that armor I expect soft stats to be worse than FV215b.



270_Winchester #7 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:28 AM

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View Postcro001, on 20 September 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

Might be outdated tho. But with that armor I expect soft stats to be worse than FV215b.

 

Oh thank you!

 

I agree, with that armor layout, we can't expect really good soft stats like FV215b. 

 

0,13 - 0,15 - 0,09....it's not horrible, but it's not good either...



270_Winchester #8 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:32 AM

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View PostSfinski, on 20 September 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

Sheridan actually has worse values than 215b when moving and traversing, so rather not have those soft stats.

 

With that armor layout + spaced armor around it, i would be perfectly happy with Sheridan's stats. 

0,12 - 0,12 - 0,05 would be almost op on heavy tank :-)



DaddysLittlePrincess #9 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:37 AM

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wrong topic

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cro001 #10 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:52 AM

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View Post270_Winchester, on 21 September 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Oh thank you!

I agree, with that armor layout, we can't expect really good soft stats like FV215b. 

0,13 - 0,15 - 0,09....it's not horrible, but it's not good either...

 

Turret is IS-7 levels of strong.



tajj7 #11 Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:58 AM

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View Post270_Winchester, on 21 September 2017 - 06:28 AM, said:

 

Oh thank you!

 

I agree, with that armor layout, we can't expect really good soft stats like FV215b. 

 

0,13 - 0,15 - 0,09....it's not horrible, but it's not good either...

 

IS7, with amazing armour has 0.15, 0.15, 0.06 with 490 alpha....... 

 

Thing is the extra armour is largely pointless because -

 

1. The 215B turret bounced a lot anyway.

2. The LFP is still cheese so you will still easily get penned when not hull down. 

3. You are losing p/w and hull/turret traverse compared to the 215b so you won't be able to re-angle to new threats or wiggle. 

 

So what exactly is the Super Conqueror getting for it's 'extra armour'? Not a huge amount, it'll be able to sidescrape a bit better than the 215b because they are buffing that under turret weakspot and the side armour is going to a uniform 100mm, but aside that you get additional armour on the turret and UFP that won't make a huge difference.

 

It then has -

 

Worse DPM

Worse view range

Worse gun handling in every category by a large margin

Worse HP

Worse turret and hull traverse

Worse hp/ton 

 

Seems a poor trade, mobility AND gun handling AND DPM, for a little extra armour? Nah, that's a bad trade. Underwhelming stats for me, aside not having a rear turret it looks worse than the 215b which is not competitive as it is and looks like a worse T110E5, which again is not competitive.

 

Is this thing going to compete with the Maus, Type 5, IS7, WZ-111-5A and the buffed mediums? Not looking like IMO. Plus you are losing everything that was special from the 215b, same is happening with the Conqueror as well, I have never played either of those two tanks, got them hull down and thought I needed more armour, those are good turrets.  If you are going to have cheese LFP then the extra hull armour is largely pointless. Overall the Super Conqueror looks barely any better if not worse than the current 215b and the 215b has been so power crept it's one of the worst tier 10 heavies. 



Dr_Oolen #12 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:13 AM

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Yep, looks like the tank will be quite bland pos.

ZlatanArKung #13 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

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Pos tank confirmed.

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AliceUnchained #14 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:37 AM

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Why am I not surprised? The IS-7 was just given buffs it did not need at all, so obviously the next British Tier X cannot challenge it... But nothing is definitive, one can still have idle hope right?

Sfinski #15 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:40 AM

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Yup. Seems like crap tbh. Ruined the gun, made slower with barely better armour. Yay. Now there's 0 good tanks on that line, when it had 1.5 before.

270_Winchester #16 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:48 AM

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I don't know man...i got credits and FV215b is researched years ago. I enjoyed Conqueror, and that gun was just amazing. Those gun stats on Super Conqueror will make or break tank for me.

 

 



Dr_Oolen #17 Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

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Actually checked properly and it has noticeably worse dispersions than conqueror has now on t9 :D While being slower, less maneuvrable and arguably having about as "bad" armor tier for tier. lmao

adameitas #18 Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

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looks like new qonqueror might be huge disapoitment. Atm it looks like being worse tier for tier compare with t9 qonqueror. Also it is worse then 215b too atm. Sure front-turret tanks are easier to play but it is the only bonus. On the other hand we loose hp, gun handling, rof. And on top of that 215b and new qonqueror has same poor 7 degree depression.. really wtf...

Edited by adameitas, 21 September 2017 - 10:37 AM.


MrEdweird #19 Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:08 PM

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Yeah, SuperConq sucks. The gun handling and mobility are meh.

At least it gets 102mm lower plate and side armor.



K_A #20 Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:08 PM

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I do hope they buff gun handling for the live release..




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