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Poll: FV4005 Stage II nerf? (48 members have cast votes)

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Should FV4005 Stage II be nerfed in its current state on the 9.20.1 test server?

  1. Yes (23 votes [47.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.92%

  2. No (25 votes [52.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.08%

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anonym_YNch2j0j5oJ9 #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:32 AM

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950hp engine?

decreased turret dispersion?

turret traverse speed from 12 to 16?

gun depression from 5 to 10 degrees?

gun traverse from 45 to 90 degrees on both sides?

from 12 to 20 shells?

35kmh to 50kmh?

Really? Really WG?


It seems like we get every single patch some OP or broken tier 10 now? (maus, type5, fochB..)

 

I mean, yeah the FV needed a buff, but can't WG for once in their lives learn HOW to buff? buff doesn't have to be OVER-buff...

A 50km/h speed demon that does 2k dmg shots if it rolls high, and can turn the turret faster, with better accuracy, and can turn turret twice as far.. bloody hell WG wtf? and 10 degrees of gun depression?? ..

WG keep on breaking tier 10 gameplay, it is bad enough that they gave us the FochB, one mistake and u lose a LOT of hp, now if u make a mistake with the FV (which u definitely will since it has great gun depression and speed..) it can re-position a lot with its new speed and it will be absolutely terrifying in a good player's hands... and some bot with 48% winrate can now just press W, load HESH, and shoot a guy for 1800hp and ruin that person's battle and then he dies also.. tanks like this shouldn't exist..

If a bot rushes you, he should do max 1-2 shots with low dmg, not 1750 dmg and probably one shot lower tiers..

 

Another patch, another broken tier 10, but don't worry guys, WG will surely realize their mistakes and nerf it before it hits the live server right? Yeah, no. 

Pretty sick and tired of WG's continuous crap... they keep on breaking tier 10 gameplay, didn't WG change their balance team? Clearly they are just as stupid as  the ones before them... Even if WG does decide to nerf the FV (probably a 2% chance of that happening), the balance team is anyways stupid for just even suggesting these changes..

 

WG should instead have changed gun depression from 5 → 6 degrees, keep the gun traverse angles at 45 degrees, buff the speed to 50kmh but with a bad-ish engine power so it wont get 50kmh fast.. but IMO tanks with 1750 dmg per shot should not exist at all, (both) FV's should have 1150dmg AP bullets and 1750dmg HE rounds but with low pen..

 

So how do you guys feel about these over-buffs to the FV?..

 



Ceeb #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:42 AM

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lol, 

 

I knew someone would post... OP even before we see it in game... 

 

Even said it in another post.... 

 

Still has paper armour, still the size of a block of flats.  it will just peek a boo better.... and when it does its going to get slammed. 

 

Its not as if its Type 4 or Type 5 broken....


Edited by Ceeb, 22 September 2017 - 09:42 AM.


anonym_YNch2j0j5oJ9 #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:56 AM

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View PostCeeb, on 22 September 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

lol, 

 

I knew someone would post... OP even before we see it in game... 

 

Even said it in another post.... 

 

Still has paper armour, still the size of a block of flats.  it will just peek a boo better.... and when it does its going to get slammed. 

 

Its not as if its Type 4 or Type 5 broken....

 

and? maybe by some chance (like bc25t scenario) WG listen to players if they make enough noise about this.. you are blind if u dont think this wont be better.. faster speed, more gun depression, turns gun further.. it is OP/broken..

Steel_Patriot #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:02 AM

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It's about time it got showed some love , it did need it . It still isn't going to bounce anything and gets spotted in the next map . 

BTW not played it on test yet , so downloading it now


Edited by Steel_Patriot, 22 September 2017 - 10:04 AM.


Dava_117 #5 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:03 AM

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Voted yes, but it don't deserve a big nerf. I would just bring back depression to -5°. Every thing else is fine to me.

KLguns #6 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:17 AM

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Could really not give a shít about any T10.

anonym_YNch2j0j5oJ9 #7 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:27 AM

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Wg either nerfs stuff to the ground, or buffs stuff to heaven..

270_Winchester #8 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:32 AM

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I try it last night on test server. OMG....haha :-)

 

8,8 k dmg in first game (then got insta gibbed in two following games by another FV)...pls WG don't nerf it straight away, give us a couple of months on live server with this beast....

 

I never thought i will be even considering grinding this line - now i do :-)



K_A #9 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

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While it does deserve a buff from the current live server state, what's currently on the test server is just ridiculous. Scrap the gun traverse and depression buffs and keep the shell count at 12 and it'd sound reasonable.

Sfinski #10 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

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View PostK_A, on 22 September 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

While it does deserve a buff from the current live server state, what's currently on the test server is just ridiculous. Scrap the gun traverse and depression buffs and keep the shell count at 12 and it'd sound reasonable.

It going faster wouldn't be enough to compensate for the crap turret. It needs more flexibility. Rather have dep buf and limit top speed at what it is while having the better acceleration with the new engine. 


Edited by Sfinski, 22 September 2017 - 10:41 AM.


Infektid #11 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

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Typical WG.


Take a forgotten line no one likes or plays (Maus/Type5 and now FV4005) overbuff it and then just laugh at the ammount of free exp (and gold) people spend to powergrind it. Then after 6 months - and the fever from the new OP toy as died - realize that its "unbalanced" and needs a "rebalance". 

 

I wonder after the FV4005 what will be the next candidate?

 

 


Edited by Infektid, 22 September 2017 - 10:43 AM.


leggasiini #12 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:52 AM

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Give it back the 650 HP engine or at very least drop it to 700-750 HP. Other buffs are fine, but right now its far too mobile.

Thrael7 #13 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:53 AM

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View PostInfektid, on 22 September 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

I wonder after the FV4005 what will be the next candidate?

Well, some complain about Leo1. Despite what unicums will say, average players don't bounce enemy shots and can't hit in return. So... I expect a "magical" ~220mm effective mantlet in the future. Then again, there's that laser gun on it:trollface:


Edited by Thrael7, 22 September 2017 - 10:54 AM.


sgtYester #14 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:54 AM

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well, they are doing a great job no?

 

first hype about foch B

 

then hype about superconquer

 

next one the fv4005.. 

 

this one hell of way to get ppl to grind lines u would otherwise avoid like the plague.

 

i stopped halfway trough the conway. what a total craptd compared to the charioteer.  and the tier 10 right now is even worse with speed/etc  and only gets that nice derp gun.  

 

although i do agree that it needs the buffs.   so u get 1 slow derp td with armor and the other a fast derp with zero armor.   so yeah , nice.   

 

now all wg needs to do is rework how the hesh works instead of stupid HE mechanic it now has



tajj7 #15 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:55 AM

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It's the current worst tier 10 in the game, probably one of the worst tanks in the game full stop so it needed massive buffs. It needed to be massively better. 

 

They might have gone a tad too far but it's still a giant paper tank with a giant turret that you can see from the moon and has terrible gun handling, massive reload etc. 

 

Tone the speed down to 40kph and it'll be fine, not sure how in the meta of super Maus, super Type 5, overbuffed IS7, too good WZ-111-5A etc. the crapbarn is going to be OP. The only thing the crapbarn will do is punish big mistakes hard, mainly of paper tanks. It'll be able to do nothing on it's own and one failed HESH pen and it generally dies cos people rush it. 

 

People need to remember the test server is a terrible place to test vehicles, people yolo about, no one has a clue what they are doing, the 'new' tanks make up 50% of each team, there is 3 arty a game, everyone is spamming premium with premium consumables and probably have 7-8 skill crews. 

 

Also hardly like 16 deg/s is fast, most heavies can out circle that, this is a typical response of people, massive over reactions and over exaggerations. Which is why WG's task is so hard, 90% of the playerbase wouldn't know what balance was if it rung their door bell and kicked them in the nuts. 

 

The shell capacity, gun depression, turret traverse, and gun handling buffs are qualtiy of life buffs, stops the tank being massively awkward for no real reason when you already have a 24s reload and giant turret everyone can pen with HE. 

 

The only game influencing buffs are the mobility ones and they are what needs to be toned down, it should go 35-40kph, but with the improved engine power IMO.  Essentially as well what is really broken about this tank is the gun and the alpha, it's the same problem with all the high alpha guns and high clip autoloaders, extreme firepower is hard to balance. 


Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 10:56 AM.


qpranger #16 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:56 AM

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And this weekend offers an improved free XP conversion rate.

Coincidence? Sure :)



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View Posttajj7, on 22 September 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

... this is a typical response of people, massive over reactions and over exaggerations. Which is why WG's task is so hard, 90% of the playerbase wouldn't know what balance was if it rung their door bell and kicked them in the nuts....

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Welcome to the WoT forums, buddy! ;)



Obsessive_Compulsive #18 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:08 PM

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glorious buffs! cry me rivers!

 



Exozen #19 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:20 PM

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I was amazed by the speed and mobility on the test server , but even with those massive buffs its still quite mediocre..

laulaur #20 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:20 PM

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View PostsgtYester, on 22 September 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

well, they are doing a great job no?

 

first hype about foch B

 

then hype about superconquer

 

next one the fv4005.. 

 

 

I think after that will come FV183 hype , with wim getting the same treatment as Foch155.

WG sure likes people to speed-grind lines and convert lots of XP...






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