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Number of Main Battle Tanks per 100k people in Europe

Number of Main Battle Tanks 100k people in Europe stats players country

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PrljavaBaraba #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:56 AM

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real or fake?


Pansenmann #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:03 AM

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source?

Carantanien #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:22 AM

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Quite true for Slovenia (i calculated 4.2, if i calculated correctly) in pic is 4.06

2 mio ppl

M-84 - 54 tanks

M-55S - 30 tanks

 

Old Yugoslavia tanks, mostly all in reserve...



K_A #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:15 PM

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Finland's number is a bit off too, but in the right ballpark. We have 100 Leopard 2A4's and in 2014 purchased 100 2A6's, the total of 200 would give us 3,63 but not all of the 100 2A6's are yet delivered.

UrQuan #5 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:42 PM

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Correct for Belgium. We sold our tanks to Lebanon.

LCpl_Jones #6 Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

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looks about right for the UK, it's probably less then that if only counting in service tanks :unsure:

Derethim #7 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:24 PM

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Someone should explain to my country (Slovakia), that a few incapacitated T-72s don't count.

250swb #8 Posted 24 September 2017 - 08:46 AM

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View PostPrljavaBaraba, on 22 September 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

real or fake?

 

 

It hardly matters if it is real or fake, there is no context whatever the figures represent.

 

Some countries have fewer worries about enemy tanks because they are surrounded by water, the UK for example, so having a large stockpile is wasted. Some countries have a nuclear option, the UK for example, so tanks are old school. Some countries are close friends with the USA, the UK for example, so don't need a massive tank force, so they will call on them in a tank related crisis. And the rest will just surrender. (joke)


Edited by 250swb, 24 September 2017 - 08:47 AM.


Gangerr #9 Posted 24 September 2017 - 10:17 PM

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I believe European nations don't really see any threat from any other great powers to really warrant massive stockpiles of tanks, plus American will defend Europe if war was too come to Europe again.  Leaving European nations to spend money on social welfare, health, education etc.  Russians on the other hand has a massive army because it sees a threat due to nato surrounding the country on all sides, despite the size of Russia.



dennez #10 Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:24 AM

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Well the 0.0 for The Netherlands is about right.. We sold off all our Leo II's to Finland IIRC.

But no worries! We still have about 8 F-16's that are able to fly when we scavenge parts from the other 60 that are grounded from lack of funds.

Anyways, when the Rashans do invade Western Europe, their crap will probably all break down halfway through Poland, so we should be fine here..

 

 



Coldspell #11 Posted 28 September 2017 - 01:48 AM

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View PostGangerr, on 24 September 2017 - 09:17 PM, said:

I believe European nations don't really see any threat from any other great powers to really warrant massive stockpiles of tanks, plus American will defend Europe if war was too come to Europe again.  Leaving European nations to spend money on social welfare, health, education etc.  Russians on the other hand has a massive army because it sees a threat due to nato surrounding the country on all sides, despite the size of Russia.

 

Or maybe god forbid they have realized that the MBT has become relatively useless in modern combat and the last flurry of skirmishes in the middle east highlighted this as it was relegated to mostly a fire support role, an expensive to maintain and use fire support role that had much cheaper alternatives.

 

MBT's have become to situational and costly for modern warfare, most of their roles can now be filled with alternate cheaper faster vehicles, infantry, drones etc...

 

Our ability to pierce armour has far surpassed the effectiveness of armour  on the battlefield, MBTs in most modern combat situations are just over armoured support guns or mobile coffins.



UrQuan #12 Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:40 AM

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What Coldspell says & the industrialized & citified landscape of most of Europe really doesn't lend itself to tank warfare. The new technologies being developed reflect this, as they're more suited to urban environments (drones, various multi-purpose vehicles, improved scanners/intel gathering devices, etc)

It is an acceptance of how much war has changed, from fighting around the cities to fighting inside the cities; recent conflicts hightlighted this.

 

I do see tanks having a future again, once they find a way to remove the requirement to put people in it, as it will allow them to strengthen such autonomous armored vehicles far greater & at the same time, make it smaller. Today's tanks are just too large & the weakest part of it are the people that man it. Us meatbags are just too squishy for modern armored warfare.



Derethim #13 Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:55 AM

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View PostUrQuan, on 28 September 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

What Coldspell says & the industrialized & citified landscape of most of Europe really doesn't lend itself to tank warfare. The new technologies being developed reflect this, as they're more suited to urban environments (drones, various multi-purpose vehicles, improved scanners/intel gathering devices, etc)

It is an acceptance of how much war has changed, from fighting around the cities to fighting inside the cities; recent conflicts hightlighted this.

 

I do see tanks having a future again, once they find a way to remove the requirement to put people in it, as it will allow them to strengthen such autonomous armored vehicles far greater & at the same time, make it smaller. Today's tanks are just too large & the weakest part of it are the people that man it. Us meatbags are just too squishy for modern armored warfare.

 

Agreed. Especially modern NATO military is focused on Air and Infantry warfare. The intel gathering devices mark targets for air support and what little remains gets mopped-up by infantry.




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