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tajj7 #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:56 AM

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Highlights -

 

Tier 9 Conqueror

 

  • has lost ~ 150 DPM, reload is 0.77s slower.
  • Gun handling is the same,
  • mobility is pretty much the same,
  • obviously the turret buffs and hull front and side armour buffs.
  • The weakspots under the turret that no one shoots are like 400 effective front on still like 280-300 sidescraping. 
  • The spaced armour bits on the turret basically don't do much against AP, but make the turret cheeks like 350-400 effective against HEAT.  
  • Upper plate is about 230-240 effective now, with angle you can get it to about 250-250 effective. LFP is still cheese though.

 

Super Conqueror 

  • UFP is 260 effective, LFP is about 150 effective, at best angle you get about 170 on the LFP and 260-270 on the upper. 
  • According to tanks.gg the cupola is either no damage or autobounce. 
  • Turret front is pretty much the same as the Conqueror just with less weakspots like no viewport weakspot and gun mantlet weakspot. 
  • It has worse gun handling pretty much all round and worse mobility/agility than the tier 9. 

 

Cent AX

  • Turret from the front, on the flat is at worst 250 effective. (aside cupola)
  • Using full gun depression then anything above the line of the gun is over 300 effective so should bounce most HEAT. 

 

STB-1

  • On the flat turret is from about 230 effective up, you'll still get penned through the gun mantlet basically. 
  • Pretty much the same with the gun depression, if people hit near your gun they will pen some shots, if they miss wide or high they will auto-bounce. 
  • It's not really a buff to be honest. Cent AX and Patton turrets look more reliable to me and they have more reliable guns. 

 

Conway

  • The new bigger gun gets worse turret dispersion, aim time and accuracy than the 120mm.
  • But it also limits your turret traverse to 90/90 rather than 180/180 with the 120mm. 

 

Caravan

  • New gun gets slightly worse dispersion when moving/turning (0.15 compared to 0,13).
  • Aim time, accuracy, penetration, shell velocity all worse. 
  • 32% jump in DPM. 
  • Gun mantlet is 274 effective, turret front is 254 effective, very edges of the turret front are 220 effective. 
  • Same weakspot fix as the Conqueor/Super Conqueror. 
  • Sides now 76mm. 

 

T-34-3

  • UFP is 165-170 effective, LFP is 170 effective with no angle. At best angle you can get about 175 - 180 effective frontal armour.
  • Turret front is at worst 215 effective, but most of it is over 300 effective. Aside cupolas, but even these are around 180-190 effective. 
  • Tank can basically make itself very hard to pen by it's self. Will be able to easily bully any guns with sub 180 penetration. 

 

FV4202

  • Still has worse DPM and engine power than Cent 1, even with good ground resistances effective traverse is less than Cent 1.
  • Turret on the flat is at worst about 210 effective (big plate above the gun), aside cupola.
  • Using full gun depression, it's much like the Cent AX turret, above the gun is over 300 effective to autobounce, under and to the sides of the gun more like 240 effective. 

 

Tier 10 lights

  • Minor changes but the 13-105 now basically has as much DPM as the WZ and Rhm even though it's an autoloader.......
  • Sheridan with the 105 actually has decent DPM for a tier 10 now, 100 more than E50M.
  • T-100 just about scrapes 2,4k DPM with it's now very low 300 alpha. You can get the reload down to almost 6s. 

 

EDIT: The FV215b has not changed at all, it is not even in HD.....


Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 01:16 PM.


The_Georgian_One #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:21 PM

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Thanks for this summary, Tajj.

 

So the plan for me is to get FV215, keep Conqueror and Sell Super Conqueror once the patch hits live server (unless there are changes to tier 10).

 

Also, very sad news for STB and very good for 105, which I already considered best all-round tier 10 LT.


Edited by The_Georgian_One, 22 September 2017 - 12:22 PM.


leggasiini #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:29 PM

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>It has worse gun handling pretty much all round

 

Wat  ಠ_ಠ



anonym_YNch2j0j5oJ9 #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:39 PM

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I love how tier8 caernarvon has more DPM than tier9 conq.  

and u said u cant pen the SQ in its cupola? well tanks.gg is wrong cuz previous round i did

edit: if u look at it from just slightly above, u will pen the cupola, ok now it makes sense


Edited by Press2ForSkill, 22 September 2017 - 12:41 PM.


tajj7 #5 Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:40 PM

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 22 September 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

Thanks for this summary, Tajj.

 

So the plan for me is to get FV215, keep Conqueror and Sell Super Conqueror once the patch hits live server (unless there are changes to tier 10).

 

Also, very sad news for STB and very good for 105, which I already considered best all-round tier 10 LT.

 

Bout the same for me I reckon, unless the S.Conq gets some buffs it seems pretty pointless. For going up a whole tier you are getting some hull armour, 400 HP and about 500 DPM really, for worse gun handling and mobility. 

 

Also from playing the Caernarvon, whilst the DPM is insane, I don't think this tank is going to be OP because fundamentally not a lot has changed, you still have low alpha, you still have poor hull armour cos of the LFP, you are still slow and your gun handling is now worse. 

 

It's just a shame they can see that a low alpha heavy tank with not much going for it should get high DPM, but they don't see that low alpha tier 8 meds should get better DPM. or low alpha tier 10 lights etc. 

 

View PostPress2ForSkill, on 22 September 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

I love how tier8 caernarvon has more DPM than tier9 conq.  

and u said u cant pen the SQ in its cupola? well tanks.gg is wrong cuz previous round i did

edit: if u look at it from just slightly above, u will pen the cupola, ok now it makes sense

 

 

yeh it depends on angle, there is a very small ridge on the bottom that is flat and about 175 effective but it's tiny, but if you are above the rounded part then you can pen because it's not auto-bounce anymore.

 

But the view bar things are zero damage hitboxes I think. For a cupola it's a pretty good one, so it has that over the E5, E5 cupola or say E75 cupola is much easier to hit and penetrate. 

 

View Postleggasiini, on 22 September 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

>It has worse gun handling pretty much all round

 

Wat  ಠ_ಠ

 

 

It has better traverse dispersion (0.10 to 0.12) so if you are not actually moving but just turning the tank you'll have better dispersion, but not sure who actually does that, but then it has worse aim time, worse turret dispersion and worse movement dispersion. So overall the gun handling is worse.

 

Basically for going up to tier 10 you get -

 

  • some armour upgrades that have minimal impact cos basically both tanks need to be played hull down and both have strong turrets.
  • You get 400 extra hit points,
  • about 1s off the reload,
  • about 2 hp/ton less,
  • about 10 deg/s less hull traverse on medium terrain
  • worse gun handling

 

And that is it, everything else is pretty much the same. If you made the HP 1950 and took the DPM down by 300 then I think you'd have a good tier 9 tank there........

 

 

 


Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 12:49 PM.


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i see no point in the super conq over the regular conq, good thing i already got the FV215B.
 

*edit*

Super conqueror turret IS diffrent and has better armor so thats a thing i gues.


Edited by MR_FIAT, 22 September 2017 - 01:03 PM.


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The turret on the Caernarvon looks tasty. Looks like you need tier 9/10 TD levels of pen to guarantee a pen unless you dab the '2' key.

Edited by thestaggy, 22 September 2017 - 01:03 PM.


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Cheer's Tajj7, 

 

Doing the work I cant be <edited> to do. 

 

The FV is in my garage as of this morning.. so will get the Sup Conq on the release.  The Conq being the saving grace in that line for me... although i liked the Caen.

 

Might even re-buy it. 

 

Getting more info from you than some of the CCs

 

 

 



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View PostPress2ForSkill, on 22 September 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

I love how tier8 caernarvon has more DPM than tier9 conq...,

Depends which gun you use. If you select the same low alfa gun on the Conq you get the highest dpm of any heavy in the game (around 3500 if I remember correctly) !  However, do you want to play a tier9 hvy doing 280? I can see it work but then when you're in a peekaboo situation your trades are going to suck



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View PostSirTogII, on 22 September 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

Depends which gun you use. If you select the same low alfa gun on the Conq you get the highest dpm of any heavy in the game (around 3500 if I remember correctly) !  However, do you want to play a tier9 hvy doing 280? I can see it work but then when you're in a peekaboo situation your trades are going to suck

 

3844 DPM maxed out with improved equipment and directives, with a 4.37s reload. 

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Thanks Taj, haven't the Centurions (t8 and t9) been changed as well?

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View Posttajj7, on 22 September 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

3844 DPM maxed out with improved equipment and directives, with a 4.37s reload. 

Lol, pretty sick. Have kept the Conq for some reason, will have to try it out, although tier for tier I reckon the Caravan will be a stronger tank (usual disclaimer about tier 8 MM)



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View PostMR_FIAT, on 22 September 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

i see no point in the super conq over the regular conq
 

 

The point is you can sell it for 3.000.000 after getting it for free in next patch :)

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View PostLink_to_Insanity, on 22 September 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

Thanks Taj, haven't the Centurions (t8 and t9) been changed as well?

 

They have yes but they basically have the exact same turret as the recent Primo Victoria premium tank, IIRC 254mm on the turret fronts, 235mm on the mantlet, so the armour hole around the gun they had before will still get penned by many guns (especially the Cent 7/1 seeing tier 10 guns) as it's only 239mm effective, but the overlaps with turret and mantlet armour are like 399-500 effective. 

 

Just as a comparison on vbaddict the Primo Victoria bounces around 32% off shots at it, compared to the current Cent 1 bouncing around 21% of shots at it so it'll make a big difference to both tanks. 

 

View PostSirTogII, on 22 September 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

Lol, pretty sick. Have kept the Conq for some reason, will have to try it out, although tier for tier I reckon the Caravan will be a stronger tank (usual disclaimer about tier 8 MM)

 

Overall Conqueror is slightly buffed IMO, it's traded tiny bit of DPM for better all round armour and I think with the MM is stronger tier for tier. 

 

The stock 32 lber on the Conqueror is like the Long 88 on the E50 now pretty much. Pew pew memes but probably not that effective in the current meta. 



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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 22 September 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

 

The point is you can sell it for 3.000.000 after getting it for free in next patch :)

 

Yes but you can only sell the FV215b for 1k

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Conq is the only one I don't get. Why make it the same as the tier X visually? Tier X should be the upgrade. Not the kinda upgrade.  Some might like it more that way, but IMO it did not need a turret buff. The last buff already did it some favors to make it capable in the role it has. Tho for some now, a more aggressive style might be used.

 

Caernarvon went from crap to great... maybe a little to great with that DPM. As high roll damage is rather high on it even, so it will make it self noticed at times. As I got 300 rolls on it more or less constantly. And HE vs Borsigs made them go away rather fast.



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played the super Conq on the test server for a bit it feels like a downgrade from the FV215B... meh...

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Wonder if the FV4202p is worth playing now. cant be any worse than any other same tier trashy med right? or ill just play my T-34-3 and avoid tier 10's.... you played the T-34-3 Tajj7? the aimtime noticable at all?

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 22 September 2017 - 09:11 PM, said:

Wonder if the FV4202p is worth playing now. cant be any worse than any other same tier trashy med right? or ill just play my T-34-3 and avoid tier 10's.... you played the T-34-3 Tajj7? the aimtime noticable at all?

 

I played it a couple of times, yeh the aim time is noticeable.

 

Armour is as well, even with the premium spam. Not going to go as far as saying it's good, not in the current MM, it's still not a tank that should be seeing tier 9s all the time, but I think if they do fix tier 8 MM it'll be fun to play. 

 

It actually makes sense now, you can bully people, face hug, sidescrape etc. basically it's a brawling medium tank kind of like the tier 9 and 10s. 



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View Posttajj7, on 22 September 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

I played it a couple of times, yeh the aim time is noticeable.

 

Armour is as well, even with the premium spam. Not going to go as far as saying it's good, not in the current MM, it's still not a tank that should be seeing tier 9s all the time, but I think if they do fix tier 8 MM it'll be fun to play. 

 

It actually makes sense now, you can bully people, face hug, sidescrape etc. basically it's a brawling medium tank kind of like the tier 9 and 10s. 

 

Yea its pretty decent now, just bounced a E 100 HEAT shell with it :trollface:




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