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tajj7 #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:37 PM

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Tier: X TD, GB (regular, FV215 (183) replacement)
HP: 2050
Horsepower: 950 HP
Power-to-weight ratio: 13.8 HP/t
Max. speed forwards/backwards: 34 / -12 km/h
Hull traverse speed: 22 °/s
Horizontal gun laying speed: 16 °/s
View range: 390 m

Hull armor: 304 / 101 / 31

Damage: 420 / 420 / 520
Penetration: 272 / 320 / 130
Reload speed: 7.1 s
Accuracy: 0,3
Aim speed: 1.7 s
Horizontal gun constraints: 15 / 15 °
Gun depression/elevation: -10 / +20

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/09/22/wot-supertest-fv205/

 

Presuming it has a weak LFP, which is likely considering that it's a Conqueror hull and that 300 armour is the superstructure then that looks a decent TD.

 

No stupidly high alpha, but very good DPM (3,5k base).  

No stupidly high pen premium round. 

Isn't completely slow ok top speed and hp/ton, but still very vulnerable to being flanked. 

Decent gun arc, decent gun depression so not  unnecessarily awkward for a turretless TD. 

Has a HESH round which is good. 

And there is nothing really like it on tier 10. A slower better armoured 263 or a slightly faster, lower alpha E3. 

 

It'll probably get stupidly over buffed now I've said it.  420 is a weird amount of alpha for a 120mm. 

 

(also the old Caernarvon with the Cent AX turret and the 20lber is coming back as a tier 8 premium) 

 

EDIT: Armoured Patrol have updated with more details.

 

Gun is 123mm hence the weird alpha.

Flatter pats of the superstructure are 305mm, angled parts are 178mm, LFP looks to be about 100mm so easy pen for most tanks. 

Terrain resistances are garbage so it will struggle to hit that top speed.

DPM I'm presuming with 100% crew is 3.7k base! 

Standard rounds are APDS


Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 02:18 PM.


IncandescentGerbil #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:39 PM

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The news it is balanced concerns me. Developers don't want balanced British tanks; they want bad ones. Expect nerfs.

Aikl #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:45 PM

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 22 September 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:

The news it is balanced concerns me. Developers don't want balanced British tanks; they want bad ones. Expect nerfs.

 

Well, ideally they want to introduce OP tanks and then nerf them. It's pretty obvious by now that it works and that it is to be expected. Can't point to any numbers, but I'm pretty sure the Maus was quite popular until it got nerfed. It's not weak, but I hardly see many playing it now. 

Shaade_Silentpaw #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:49 PM

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I like the sound of that...will have to see the armour model though.

If that is the actual model of the tank, I don't see any obvious weak spots once it goes hull-down.



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I've always said I wish I could keep the Tortoise gun at T10...  Will be very interested in how the armour holds up to make use of that DPM (which could be over 4.5k fully tuned?).

GaryThomasBolton #6 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:04 PM

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View PostAikl, on 22 September 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

Well, ideally they want to introduce OP tanks and then nerf them. It's pretty obvious by now that it works and that it is to be expected. Can't point to any numbers, but I'm pretty sure the Maus was quite popular until it got nerfed. It's not weak, but I hardly see many playing it now. 

 

Exactly. It's better if anything to bring it in as an OP tank and then nerf it down accordingly. Rather than bring it in as too weak a tank and then it remains that way because they think it functions okay as is.

 

On another note; I didn't know the FV125B 183 was being replaced also. Glad to see that happening, replaced with something more along the lines of the Tortoise with 300+ frontal armour. :)


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 22 September 2017 - 02:10 PM.


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I was kinda expecting the Tortoise 120 with a bit more dpm.  But instead they gave it 20 more alpha and more pen with the same dpm as the tier 9's, but it kinda works. Less gold pen then the Tortoise's 120mm. But 10 more HE pen. So 130 HE "HESH" pen is gonna do wonders vs lights and paper tanks. Tho there the Tortoise has 515 damage, here it's 520.

Edited by Balc0ra, 22 September 2017 - 02:08 PM.


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actually seems interesting to me

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View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 22 September 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

I like the sound of that...will have to see the armour model though.

If that is the actual model of the tank, I don't see any obvious weak spots once it goes hull-down.

 

Armour model is now on TAP.

Looks strong when hull down, super strong when using the gun depression I'd reckon, cannot see any obvious weakspots aside the LFP which is cheese. 

Hull is probably not that strong either as it;s the UFP of a Conqueror so 152mm, with effective armour of about 240-250. 



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View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 22 September 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

I like the sound of that...will have to see the armour model though.

If that is the actual model of the tank, I don't see any obvious weak spots once it goes hull-down.

 



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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 22 September 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

 

 

 

Tiny weakspots below viewports?

Looks sexy AF either way <3



japtank #13 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:40 PM

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Balanced?

 

Unaware of the changes, I thought I had the time to have a FV4005 regret for the 900 or so he just did to my MT, only to see him run like an E25 and finish me off before I had the opportunity to get on him.

 

No 750+ TD can ever be balanced, they are just monstruosites, or land artilleries if you prefer, away with that!



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A balanced new tier 10 tank? Meh, who would grind for it...

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View Postjaptank, on 22 September 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Balanced?

 

Unaware of the changes, I thought I had the time to have a FV4005 regret for the 900 or so he just did to my MT, only to see him run like an E25 and finish me off before I had the opportunity to get on him.

 

No 750+ TD can ever be balanced, they are just monstruosites, or land artilleries if you prefer, away with that!

 

Well, regardless. With the new changes coming to other TD British tree line on the other 183 gunned tank. It getting 50mph and -10 gun depression. That would now end up being the best out the two 183 gunned tanks by far - people would now choose to use that when the changes happen. So it makes sense removing the other FV215B 183 tank, it never made any sense having two T10 183 gunned tanks, and the Tortoise line should have always ended with a strong armoured TD anyway.

 

The other (second TD line added) was always about faster weak armoured tanks, but having a big gun. While the first (original) TD line was all about having slow well armoured tanks, not having a big gun. Yet, both lines ended with essentially same weak slow tanks having a 183 gun.


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 22 September 2017 - 03:21 PM.


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View Postjaptank, on 22 September 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

 

No 750+ TD can ever be balanced, they are just monstruosites, or land artilleries if you prefer, away with that!

 

You know this has 420 alpha yeh? 

Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 03:08 PM.


GaryThomasBolton #17 Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:19 PM

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I see on the super test server they added the new T9 Conq and T10 S Conq tank updates. But how comes they didn't add the new T8 Cav changes to that tank. It's still using the same current tank. I also didn't see the new FV125b 183 tank change either on the test server?

Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 22 September 2017 - 05:22 PM.


HundeWurst #18 Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:42 PM

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420 blaze it.

scouse_in_the_house #19 Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:20 PM

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Where are they getting this 123mm gun from, why make one up when there were 4 inch, 4.5 inch, 5 inch and 5.25 inch high velocity guns guns that were looked at in the 40s/50s, nice on WG.

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Makes no sense to put the FV205 at the top of the AT tree.

 

Should have gone with the AT 18 or stuck with the FV215b (183)






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