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komunistu33 #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:49 PM

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Not only am I getting bottom tier most of my games (46% tier 8 games, 31% tier 7 games and only 23% top tier) but whenever I get tier 8s I lost most of the games and I check the post game stats and my tier 8s and 7s don't even carry their own weight, hell, some do 0 damage, I then check their stats.. most are 40% something tomatoes.

 

This was the last game, 15-5 steamroll. Look at my team, look how utterly useless they were. 

 

Spoiler

 

How come if I play tier 6 in bottom tier I lose, but if I am the top tier (regardless of tier) I win most of the time? WG, stop pandering to tomatoes by giving them top tier MM most of the time just so they don't feel useless, make a new game mode and have them fight AIs, sick of these bobs. 



Jigabachi #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:59 PM

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General whining combined with tinfoil. Best combination.

Have a nice weekend, everyone.
Well... everyone except OP of course.

Aikl #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:02 PM

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Your top-/mid-/bottom-tier numbers are pretty much exactly what should be expected from the 3-5-7 setup (though that isn't the only pattern). You have an equal chance of getting top-tier tomatoes as the enemy team.

They are also more likely to die somewhat quickly compared to lower-tier tanks - it's simply more important to take down the top-tiers first, and the strongest tanks are more likely to lead.

 

However, having only three top-tiers means that there's a greater chance of disparity between each team's top tiers. Smaller sample size means more variance. This isn't a new thing - even in single-tier games you often see a flank falling rather quickly due to superior numbers (which you can't really overcome with skills). If you lose your three top-tier tanks on that flank, you'll of course have little chance to win the game.

 

To some extent you're correct that WG is pandering to tomatoes; 3-5-7's main advantage is that you're more likely to get something done in every battle, and more likely to have a really good game when top-tier. Both, I imagine, are really important for player retention. The players with less skill might be more important to keep in the game if they bring more money. Players above average might find T9/10 perfectly viable to play even on standard accounts, however (in particular with a premium account), hence it's a decent solution to the matchmaking problems  (at least for the individual player).

 

(It is the same game for everyone, of course. Your frustration isn't without basis, but it would be better if you overcame some of your observational bias.)


Edited by Aikl, 22 September 2017 - 02:04 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:27 PM

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View Postkomunistu33, on 22 September 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Not only am I getting bottom tier most of my games (46% tier 8 games, 31% tier 7 games and only 23% top tier) but whenever I get tier 8s I lost most of the games and I check the post game stats and my tier 8s and 7s don't even carry their own weight, hell, some do 0 damage, I then check their stats.. most are 40% something tomatoes.

 

This was the last game, 15-5 steamroll. Look at my team, look how utterly useless they were. 

 

Spoiler

 

How come if I play tier 6 in bottom tier I lose, but if I am the top tier (regardless of tier) I win most of the time? WG, stop pandering to tomatoes by giving them top tier MM most of the time just so they don't feel useless, make a new game mode and have them fight AIs, sick of these bobs. 

 

DUNNO, maybe stop stat-padding low tier games?

 



komunistu33 #5 Posted 22 September 2017 - 03:04 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 22 September 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

 

DUNNO, maybe stop stat-padding low tier games?

 

 

Sorry I don't have freexp to skip lines. Why shouldn't I play through all the tiers?

Isharial #6 Posted 22 September 2017 - 03:21 PM

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View Postkomunistu33, on 22 September 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Not only am I getting bottom tier most of my games (46% tier 8 games, 31% tier 7 games and only 23% top tier) but whenever I get tier 8s I lost most of the games and I check the post game stats and my tier 8s and 7s don't even carry their own weight, hell, some do 0 damage, I then check their stats.. most are 40% something tomatoes.

 

This was the last game, 15-5 steamroll. Look at my team, look how utterly useless they were.

 

Spoiler

 

How come if I play tier 6 in bottom tier I lose, but if I am the top tier (regardless of tier) I win most of the time? WG, stop pandering to tomatoes by giving them top tier MM most of the time just so they don't feel useless, make a new game mode and have them fight AIs, sick of these bobs.

 

in all fairness, look how utterly useless the enemy team were....

 

udes on 400, T29 on 0.... same as your T29, and your WZ 120


 

so therefore, it was just your 110, that couldn't match the enemy IS-3 that is the major discrepancy, the rest were what's expected of the majority of T6 tanks when bottom tier...


 

that last bit is just tinfoil....without those "Bobs" you wouldn't have the stats you do, so you need them as as much as you hate them

think about it, if bob 1 didn't charge at you and let you farm damage of them, and bob 2 didn't suicide or camp, you wouldn't get the damage you did in said game, and therefore would have worse stats.... just thought id point that out :popcorn:



Erwin_Von_Braun #7 Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:21 PM

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View Postkomunistu33, on 22 September 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

Not only am I getting bottom tier most of my games (46% tier 8 games, 31% tier 7 games and only 23% top tier) but whenever I get tier 8s I lost most of the games and I check the post game stats and my tier 8s and 7s don't even carry their own weight, hell, some do 0 damage, I then check their stats.. most are 40% something tomatoes.

 

This was the last game, 15-5 steamroll. Look at my team, look how utterly useless they were.

 

Spoiler

 

How come if I play tier 6 in bottom tier I lose, but if I am the top tier (regardless of tier) I win most of the time? WG, stop pandering to tomatoes by giving them top tier MM most of the time just so they don't feel useless, make a new game mode and have them fight AIs, sick of these bobs.

 

Why even bother to check their stats?

Just take it like a man and move on to the next game.



Yaccay #8 Posted 23 September 2017 - 07:35 AM

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K_A #9 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:20 AM

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View Postkomunistu33, on 22 September 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

Sorry I don't have freexp to skip lines. Why shouldn't I play through all the tiers?

 

Oh sorry, one could be forgiven to think you had already elited the Pz IV H after 200 games and moved on, or T67 in 350 games for that matters, but apparently not, you were just playing through the line, grinding your way to the next tank. Our mistake, truly.

Aikl #10 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:36 AM

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To be fair, OP doesn't have any premium tanks, and might simply be grinding out sixth sense on a crew or two, or even credits for that matter. Can't really blamy anyone for using the T67 and T5 'lolderps' for that - though it's funny that he didn't care to mention it when confronted. :P

G01ngToxicCommand0 #11 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:49 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 22 September 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

General whining combined with tinfoil. Best combination.

Have a nice weekend, everyone.
Well... everyone except OP of course.

 

Upvoted for toxic behaviour:B

komunistu33 #12 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:52 AM

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View PostK_A, on 23 September 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

 

Oh sorry, one could be forgiven to think you had already elited the Pz IV H after 200 games and moved on, or T67 in 350 games for that matters, but apparently not, you were just playing through the line, grinding your way to the next tank. Our mistake, truly.

 

Pz IV H I use for credit grinding which I also 3 marked, T67 I'm using for grinding my crew (I moved them up twice, on the Hellcat and the tier 7, as you can see I'm not playing so much now, used to play it long time ago). I don't have any premium tanks and don't have a premium account, I moved up to tier 9 on the IS line (T-10) but to move up on other lines I need to grind credits. I've played the T67 when I was a noob, you can tell the difference from that tank and, say the Pz IV H which I'm using now to grind credits, the T-10, the O-I exp and O-I, the T-50(also 3 marked and ground crew and barely have the 1st skill unlocked). 

 

If you move up to tier 6+ without a crew skill completed that's just bad, blame WG's economy for forcing us F2P players into playing more to grind up the crews. :) 


Edited by komunistu33, 23 September 2017 - 10:52 AM.


komunistu33 #13 Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:54 AM

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View PostAikl, on 23 September 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

To be fair, OP doesn't have any premium tanks, and might simply be grinding out sixth sense on a crew or two, or even credits for that matter. Can't really blamy anyone for using the T67 and T5 'lolderps' for that - though it's funny that he didn't care to mention it when confronted. :P

 

Mention what? 

komunistu33 #14 Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:25 PM

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Here is the 1st game I had today.. in screenshots https://imgur.com/a/OBZ64

 

 


Condono #15 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:08 PM

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I love bottom and middle tiers. When we lose then I can blame nooby top tiers.

 



Yaccay #16 Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:24 PM

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View Postkomunistu33, on 23 September 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Here is the 1st game I had today.. in screenshots https://imgur.com/a/OBZ64

 

 

 

Oh, dear!

If I would post anytime my team lost 2-15, 4-15, 0-15, the forum would be full.

 

(Btw ... did you know that, even a good player lost 1/3 of his/her matches.

Imagine... one posts his every third match and complains. Geeez, that would be too much....)






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