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_EXODUZ_ #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:19 PM

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That's right, a new premium tank, 18th this year. At least it's British, right? :trollface:

 



somegras #2 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:21 PM

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I misread the rate of fire and thought it was 9932 RPM. Too bad reality crushed my memes.

tajj7 #3 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:23 PM

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IF, that is the buffed Cent AX turret (and it looks like it might be) then it'll be decent. 

 

It's basically the old Caernarvon, with the buffed Cent AX turret, spaced armour and some more DPM on the 20lber.  Would give the Patriot a run for it's money. 


Also makes sense cos it's a crew trainer for the British heavy tank line and only the second tier 8 British premium (well third if you count Chief/T95) 

 

EDIT: Yep it is buffed Cent AX turret, the current plate above the gun on the Cent AX at the moment is 85.7mm, whereas buffed it's 111mm, which is on the key on the TI view. 


Edited by tajj7, 22 September 2017 - 02:26 PM.


Shaade_Silentpaw #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:23 PM

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Well, to be fair, the Brits did need a premium heavy.

Aikl #5 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:26 PM

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Nice - I have this issue where I need to transport multiple golf balls through a garden hose, and this might be a nice €40 solution to my problem. :)

 

Oh, wait, they actually buffed it? This looks quite good, actually. Kind of like a bit slower Patriot with better DPM and gun handling (which actually isn't great on the Patriot). Looks fairly competitive, actually, though  I'm guessing it keeps the ammorack-lower plate.



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View PostAikl, on 22 September 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

Nice - I have this issue where I need to transport multiple golf balls through a garden hose, and this might be a nice €40 solution to my problem. :)

 

Oh, wait, they actually buffed it? This looks quite good, actually. Kind of like a bit slower Patriot with better DPM and gun handling (which actually isn't great on the Patriot). Looks fairly competitive, actually, though  I'm guessing it keeps the ammorack-lower plate.

 

And the triple overmatch hull roof. Still, seems like a competitive tank that isn't overly powerful and has a niche as crewtrainer to boot.

 

Now watch WG [edited]it up just before release.



Tarix819 #7 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:33 PM

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Great another new premium, and this one's the fakest of them all...

GaryThomasBolton #8 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:41 PM

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When is this coming for sale?

 

And I hope it isn't going to be a one off sale, then not seen for sale for ages. Hopefully this will get added to the British tech tree as a permanently for sale British heavy, and not some one off special only put up for sale now and then.


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 22 September 2017 - 02:43 PM.


SirTogII #9 Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:46 PM

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But...isn't this way worse than the new regular Caravan?!?

tajj7 #10 Posted 22 September 2017 - 03:06 PM

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View PostHeathLedger_, on 22 September 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

 

And the triple overmatch hull roof. Still, seems like a competitive tank that isn't overly powerful and has a niche as crewtrainer to boot.

 

Now watch WG [edited]it up just before release.

 

triple overmatch roof?  

 

View PostSirTogII, on 22 September 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

But...isn't this way worse than the new regular Caravan?!?
 

 

Has more shell velocity, more pen, better accuracy, more power to weight, more traverse speed and is oddly a little faster. Has worse DPM obviously, worse view range, actually slightly worse gun handling by the looks of things and worse alpha.

 

Hull is the same, you could argue the turret is a bit better because with gun depression a lot of the Cent AX turret is over 300 effective and is at worse 254 effective, whereas the new Caernarvon turret has some spots that are 220-230 effective and aside from the auto-bounce roof and gun mantlet 254 effective is the best you get so this Caernarvon might trouble tier 10s when using ridges more then the regular Caernarvon. 

 

So I'd say they are on par at the moment. 

 



Search_Warrant #11 Posted 22 September 2017 - 04:14 PM

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Oh look another 20 pounder british tank, laughably called a "heavy" tank with such a garbage gun. WG come talk to me when you make a british HEAVY TANK with a real gun and not this peashooter.

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View Posttajj7, on 22 September 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

triple overmatch roof?  

 

my bad, it's 45mm but sloped down so you can kinda sorta hit it from the front and it's plagued the conqueror since forever. 



RinTin_NL #13 Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:13 PM

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Oh No! not another one... :justwait:

Edited by RinTin_NL, 22 September 2017 - 05:14 PM.


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For the lovers of curent Caravan~

GaryThomasBolton #15 Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:00 PM

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Didn't see the new Caernarvon on the test server installed earlier today. It's still using the older current model?



250swb #16 Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:17 PM

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View PostGaryThomasBolton, on 22 September 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

Didn't see the new Caernarvon on the test server installed earlier today. It's still using the older current model?

 

 

QB was analysing and playing the 'new' standard Caernarvon on stream yesterday, and declaring it must all be a WG mistake because unless it gets a nerf before the live server it will be the best tier VIII in the game. Mind you, he seemed to think all the British tank buffs were OTT and unbelievably good if they reach the live server.


Edited by 250swb, 22 September 2017 - 06:21 PM.


GaryThomasBolton #17 Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:34 PM

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Really, he thinks all the British changes are OTT. Funny, I have tried the S Conq (T10) on the test server earlier and agree with what another person said about it. I wasn't that impressed by it really, thought the only real playing advantage it had over the current FV125B was the spaced armour saving some damage done to turret. It may be a better tank in other areas also, not played enough really. But playing it for only 3 games, it still has it's main weakness on the body if showing it - by far it isn't any IS7 with punishment it can take. It still felt like a hull down tank, you need hide that body from shots otherwise you'll die fast.

 

Pound for pound, other tanks (even as they stand now) such as the IS7 will wipe floor with it. So he thinks the the S Conq tank is OTT, what does he think the IS7 is? OOOTTTT?


Edited by GaryThomasBolton, 22 September 2017 - 06:36 PM.


MrEdweird #18 Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:51 PM

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This one has a more powerful engine and higher top speed, as well as more DPM and obviously better turret in comparison to current Caern.

They don't seem to have given it the 76mm sides, though...shame.



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View Post250swb, on 22 September 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

 

 

QB was analysing and playing the 'new' standard Caernarvon on stream yesterday, and declaring it must all be a WG mistake because unless it gets a nerf before the live server it will be the best tier VIII in the game. Mind you, he seemed to think all the British tank buffs were OTT and unbelievably good if they reach the live server.

 

QB tends to over rate DPM, hence his comments about the E50M. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they toned down the Caravan DPM but I'm not sure they need to, more they need to buff all the 230-240 alpha guns on tier mediums up to like 2.3 - 2.6k base DPM. 

 

The only buff that seems to much to me is the FV4005, that has gone a little too far. The rest are not massive, the Cent AX turret is better but will still be penned by regular tier 10 rounds, Super Conq is kind of meh, Cent 7/1 probably needs more buffs IMO, get rid of it's awful gun handling cos the buffed turret only has 235mm mantlet and the M46 Patton has a good turret now, -10 gun depression and way better gun handling/DPM than the Cent 7/1. Cent 1 is fine, Charioteer is fine as well.

 

The Conway's new gun is a bit meh IMO, but the tank is better overall and the 120 is a very good option. So not sure where he's coming from on these buffs. 



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View Posttajj7, on 22 September 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

 

QB tends to over rate DPM, hence his comments about the E50M. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they toned down the Caravan DPM but I'm not sure they need to, more they need to buff all the 230-240 alpha guns on tier mediums up to like 2.3 - 2.6k base DPM. 

 

The only buff that seems to much to me is the FV4005, that has gone a little too far. The rest are not massive, the Cent AX turret is better but will still be penned by regular tier 10 rounds, Super Conq is kind of meh, Cent 7/1 probably needs more buffs IMO, get rid of it's awful gun handling cos the buffed turret only has 235mm mantlet and the M46 Patton has a good turret now, -10 gun depression and way better gun handling/DPM than the Cent 7/1. Cent 1 is fine, Charioteer is fine as well.

 

The Conway's new gun is a bit meh IMO, but the tank is better overall and the 120 is a very good option. So not sure where he's coming from on these buffs. 

 

Yea, give Caernarvon new gun, better turret armor and over 3 k dmg with rammer, and we call this balance, TAJJ said. - ofc Russian tier MT are bad coz they have low dpm, oh wait. QB tends to over rate dpm but most broken tank have high DPM...

What more we should give Caernarvon ? Maybe 50mm fake armor on hull ? Coz its too easy to pened. 

Cent 7\1 need best gun handling, heat ammo, reload buff, hull buff to please TAJJ...why not ? Today in WZ 111 1-4 I bounce 3 shoot from Swedish Centuion mantlet, AP 244 pen. Too weak, it need to be 350 mm thick. And we should dont give a [edited]that Type 61 is in game and its paper. 

Yea British TD are fine coz WG buff idea is one, buff all tank gun dep, this fix all. 




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