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Bucifel #1 Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:21 PM

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i mean...look at this..:

 

only with standard rounds and even when hes angled...

 

i was too lucky here or...VKB simply is a ruin now..?

or tanks.gg lie about his 270 effective armor on whole front..?


Edited by Bucifel, 22 September 2017 - 09:22 PM.


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1 shot was on the flat side, 2nd and 3rd shot rolled 30 pen high which is well within the RNG range so you just got kinda lucky, 4th shot was at a shitty angle for the vkb so you rolled kinda average on pen and could've reasonably assumed a pen and the last one you rolled between 5 and 10% higher than average it appears again because the VK wasn't at a good angle.

 

So you got a bit lucky and wasted my time and that of everyone else reading this topic about something wholly unremarkable.



Erwin_Von_Braun #4 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:09 PM

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View PostHeathLedger_, on 22 September 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

1 shot was on the flat side, 2nd and 3rd shot rolled 30 pen high which is well within the RNG range so you just got kinda lucky, 4th shot was at a shitty angle for the vkb so you rolled kinda average on pen and could've reasonably assumed a pen and the last one you rolled between 5 and 10% higher than average it appears again because the VK wasn't at a good angle.

 

So you got a bit lucky and wasted my time and that of everyone else reading this topic about something wholly unremarkable.

 

And yet you wasted even more time replying?

Edited by Erwin_Von_Braun, 22 September 2017 - 10:10 PM.


Cobra6 #5 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:20 PM

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Mine gets screwed over by literally any tank, so yeah, not really that special anymore.

 

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Bucifel #6 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:23 PM

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View PostHeathLedger_, on 22 September 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

1 shot was on the flat side, 2nd and 3rd shot rolled 30 pen high which is well within the RNG range so you just got kinda lucky, 4th shot was at a shitty angle for the vkb so you rolled kinda average on pen and could've reasonably assumed a pen and the last one you rolled between 5 and 10% higher than average it appears again because the VK wasn't at a good angle.

 

So you got a bit lucky and wasted my time and that of everyone else reading this topic about something wholly unremarkable.

 

well...dont know...

T28s pen is 248...VKBs armor is almost 270mm effective when its NOT angled....and i penned him with 2 shots when was angled

and is not first time...i did things like this before in 28 Prot...but never a streak like this

 

was standard ammo...this vs gold is totally useless now..

 

i dont fell lucky on RNG...so im still confused a bit...:mellow:

i really think that tanks.gg stats are incorrect.


Edited by Bucifel, 22 September 2017 - 10:25 PM.


FluffyRedFox #7 Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:27 PM

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View PostBucifel, on 22 September 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

T28s pen is 248...

And +/- 25% RNG is a thing, so that 248 pen can go all the way up to 310 pen on the highest roll.



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 22 September 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

 

And yet you wasted even more time replying?

 

I took one for the team so everyone could just skip this topic as there's nothing to discuss really.

Hammerhead20 #9 Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:50 AM

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I actually like VK.45.02 (B).

 

But it's frontal armour seems to be not so "scary" as it was before.

 

Still it's more effective against lower tier tanks with their lower penetration guns.


Edited by Hammerhead20, 23 September 2017 - 08:53 AM.


UrQuan #10 Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:56 AM

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Still enjoying the VK 45 B, the added side-armor really helps the tank tbh & I gladly take the reduced LFP armor for that. Still an awesome armored beast of a tank, with a beastly gun.

Erwin_Von_Braun #11 Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:44 AM

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View PostHeathLedger_, on 22 September 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

I took one for the team so everyone could just skip this topic as there's nothing to discuss really.

 

And yet you still flap your chops...

Quintuss #12 Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 22 September 2017 - 10:20 PM, said:

Mine gets screwed over by literally any tank, so yeah, not really that special anymore.

 

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Have that feeling too.

 

Trollgun with bad DPM, snail mobility and all the armour you'd expect in exchange for that basically worthless against gold rounds (or tier X TDs or anyone with good RNG)..



tajj7 #13 Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:28 AM

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I find it hilarious that people are complaining a tank 'only' has 270mm LFP armour and sees tier 7s. 

 

VKB used to be a joke, far too idiot proof, they toned it down a bit and added buffs to the turret/sides that rewarded people who used their brain with it, seemed a pretty smart decision from WG when balancing a heavy tank for once. 

 

Parked at best angle hull armour is basically 300 effective everywhere, it's very good in a sidescrape and they buffed the turret up as well, so pretty much most tier 8s even with premium will struggle with it if they can't hit the cupola. 

 

It's also not like tier 9s face lower tiers a lot, oh wait they do. (unless you platoon of course)



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View Posttajj7, on 23 September 2017 - 11:28 AM, said:

I find it hilarious that people are complaining a tank 'only' has 270mm LFP armour and sees tier 7s. 

 

VKB used to be a joke, far too idiot proof, they toned it down a bit and added buffs to the turret/sides that rewarded people who used their brain with it, seemed a pretty smart decision from WG when balancing a heavy tank for once. 

 

Parked at best angle hull armour is basically 300 effective everywhere, it's very good in a sidescrape and they buffed the turret up as well, so pretty much most tier 8s even with premium will struggle with it if they can't hit the cupola. 

 

It's also not like tier 9s face lower tiers a lot, oh wait they do. (unless you platoon of course)

 

there is a fundamental imbalance though - German heavies have turrets with flat surfaces, every premmo lamer and his dog just shoot HEAT through it frontally, end of. This is the reason why I dislike playing high tier German heavies - the armor is only useful against players I would have blasted anyway, not against competent premmo spammers.

UrQuan #15 Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:06 PM

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What taji says. I gladly take the reduction to the LFP armor for a boost in general armor usage. VK 45 B is now much more flexible in it's role to defend/assault flanks. Drive in, expecting the armor to do the work for you is the wrong approach & will get you killed easy.

Use your angles, know your penning mechanisms (overmatch, autobounce, HE mechanics, etc) & the VK 45 B is a great tank to play. Help your teammates by being their Steel Wall, use your gun to scare back the scarier enemies, nobody likes getting 490 damage in their tank.

The armor still holds up great & the boosted side armor really helps in allowing the tank to sidescrape, due to the rear turret placement. yes, your turret face is the 'weakest' front part, but it's rather hard to hit tbh; especially if you keep being still to a minimum.

 

VK 45 B is not & never was a solo-tank, for that the armor layout, lack of mobility & slow-firing gun cripples it too much. but for a team-enhancement tank it rocks, the armor & powerful gun really help it's team in securing & holding a flank for the team.

In short: if you like making smart use of armor, VK 45 B is good at it, while also having the option of going *I'm a tank! I'm a tank!* easy option when you face down low-pen guns that refuse to use their mobility & punish them accordingly.

 

When TD's get frustrated they can't pen you: TD's charging my VK 45 B on Prohovorka

 

TL;DR: VK 45 B is still a beast armor-wise, just need more knowledge regarding angles & penetration mechanics to get the most out of it.



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View PostUrQuan, on 23 September 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

Still enjoying the VK 45 B, the added side-armor really helps the tank tbh & I gladly take the reduced LFP armor for that. Still an awesome armored beast of a tank, with a beastly gun.

 

This :)




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