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Heilige_Eminenz #1 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:43 PM

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Editor swallowed my whole Post, so here I go again:

 

The issue at hand here is: stealth firing, being able to shoot tanks from concealment without getting spotted.

 

This is -of course- an inherent game mechanic in WoT and has always been, which was and is fine.

 

Recently though, it seems as it got a little bit out of hand, meaning, that stealth firing is now happening quite frequently, especially, but not at all exclusively , with swedish TDs (I will save my rant on them for later).

 

If it is only me, then by all means, delete this semi-rant and let's be done with it.

If not, let's discuss, since I do find it quite annoying to be shot multiple times by multiple hidden enemies, who later turn out to be a damn lot nearer than I could ever think it possible.

 

A similar concern was raised in World of Warships some time ago, where, as a consequence, stealth firing got all but eliminated, harming especially gunboat-DDs, who still seem to manage quite well though.

 

Since I do not at all would want to abolish stealth firing in a similar way in WoT, since I do find it a very important piece of the game, I would like to see a few changes to it, e.g.:

 

-making it harder to STAY hidden with every subsequent shot you fired without getting spotted. (your camorating would decrease with every shot from concealment until you are spotted)

    this would be very hard to implement, but force all these camptanks to move their a** from time to time.

 

-make stealth firing harder in general for everyone

 

- give only LIGHT tanks the possibility to more easily spot stealth firing tanks, which then have to manually tag this tank to make it visible for the entire team for a very short period of time.


Edited by Heilige_Eminenz, 23 September 2017 - 01:55 PM.


DracheimFlug #2 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:45 PM

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View PostHeilige_Eminenz, on 23 September 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

If it is only me, then by all means, delete this semi-rant and let's be done with it.

 

Who have you stealthily fired? o.O

314WTNK #3 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:52 PM

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delete this post ty

Condono #4 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:56 PM

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Well, isn't that how stealth firing works? Sit in a push, detect somebody and then reverse out from push until you can't see through it anymore and start shooting at the person who you detected. You will remain undetected, at least that's how I understand it works.

Edited by Condono, 23 September 2017 - 01:57 PM.


Heilige_Eminenz #5 Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

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View PostFAME_skill4ltu, on 23 September 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

delete this post ty

 

plz re-read initial statement.

G01ngToxicCommand0 #6 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:07 PM

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WoWS do not allow stealth fire so WoT should remove it as well. It is a stupid mechanic anyway that should never have been part of the game. Just as the even worse aiming system.

DracheimFlug #7 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:14 PM

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View PostG01ngToxicCommand0, on 23 September 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

WoWS do not allow stealth fire so WoT should remove it as well. It is a stupid mechanic anyway that should never have been part of the game. Just as the even worse aiming system.

 

Which tanks exactly had radar capable of seeing to the horizon or beyond? And which maps exactly are as free of soft cover as the ocean? Ground forces firing from cover was a real thing, and no, they were not always easy to spot despite muzzle flashes, etc.

Dava_117 #8 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

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I can understand not getting spotted, but at least a map ping on the loction where a gun is fired could be good enought to prevent too much stealth fire and camping...

 

Edit: typo


Edited by Dava_117, 23 September 2017 - 02:48 PM.


314WTNK #9 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:18 PM

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man are u guys for real or shows the wot forum again how many Edited players this game has :sceptic:

Edited by Asklepi0s, 25 September 2017 - 09:05 AM.
This post has been edited by the moderation team due to personal atack


Balc0ra #10 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:20 PM

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Well the thing is you don't always know if they are the one spotting you or not. For all you know there is a LT 100m away keeping you lit, and he is outside your effective spotting range on top of that. No camo change would make that happen less.

 

And if he was withing your spotting range, and they are 15m behind a double bush, then no... you won't see them either way. Even if they dropped their camo for every shot.  As most know how to abuse that effect to the fullest.


Edited by Balc0ra, 23 September 2017 - 02:22 PM.


Enforcer1975 #11 Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:29 PM

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Stealth fire should be allowed to a certain degree. If you have let's say 3 bushes and / or more than 25m ( just a random number ) in front you shouldn't be able to see silhouettes through them anymore which prevents camping in the last bush in a row of bushes but still keep the 15m double bushing rule so those who know how to do it can still stealth shoot and those who can't have to master it.

SuedKAT #12 Posted 23 September 2017 - 03:01 PM

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If you remove stealth firning you would pretty much break the game, there are so many tanks that rely on it and can only really be effective while doing so. This is hands down the worst suggestion/idea I've seen on these forums.

Heilige_Eminenz #13 Posted 23 September 2017 - 03:46 PM

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View PostFAME_skill4ltu, on 23 September 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

man are u guys for real or shows the wot forum again how many Edited players this game has :sceptic:

 

Not a very "brainy" remark either... if you do not have anything constructive to contribute, please keep it to yourself.

 

View PostSuedKAT, on 23 September 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

If you remove stealth firning you would pretty much break the game, there are so many tanks that rely on it and can only really be effective while doing so. This is hands down the worst suggestion/idea I've seen on these forums.

 

As I said initially, I would never remove stealth firing entirely from the game as I agree, it is essential for many tanks and the gameplay itself.

 

I was merely stating, that IMHO, it has gotten a little bit out of hand...

 


Edited by Asklepi0s, 25 September 2017 - 09:06 AM.


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View PostHeilige_Eminenz, on 23 September 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

 

As I said initially, I would never remove stealth firing entirely from the game as I agree, it is essential for many tanks and the gameplay itself.

 

I was merely stating, that IMHO, it has gotten a little bit out of hand...

 

 

Being able to stealth fire is the "reward" you get for utilize the game mechanics correctly as well as having a competent scout on your team, to negate that in any way would do one thing and one thing alone, it would dumb down the game. Some tinkering with viewranges etc to make high tier LT's more viable sure, to tinker with the spotting mechanics no that would just mean you reward camping even more since why push forward when you can just position your well armored HT in a corner and eventually everyone will come to you, it'll be like parking a PZ 2J in a corner farming kolobanov medals.



Homer_J #15 Posted 23 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

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They already nerfed "stealth firing" as you call it multiple times.  They removed TD's stealth after firing, they nerfed the effect of bushes, they removed most of the cover.

 

It's an integral part of the game, if anything it needs bringing back some, not removing further.



IncandescentGerbil #16 Posted 23 September 2017 - 04:50 PM

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Stealth firing not an issue. But maybe camo ratings of some tanks could be lowered a bit.

G01ngToxicCommand0 #17 Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:00 PM

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Stealth fire only exists because of the retarded detection system that takes away any kind of skill in finding the enemy and makes it impossible to flank and use real life tactics.

tankqull #18 Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:03 PM

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I´m rather fine with that, but give the one who is beeing shot at a preicse location of the one shooting him thats not transferred to his teammates to give him atleast an option to act properly.

Chickenbroncitis #19 Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:07 PM

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For me there is no difference between stealth firing and artillery.   They both see you while you cant see them and they kill you.  

Yaccay #20 Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:12 PM

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View PostG01ngToxicCommand0, on 23 September 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

WoWS do not allow stealth fire so WoT should remove it as well. It is a stupid mechanic anyway that should never have been part of the game. Just as the even worse aiming system.

 

WoT does allow stealth fire so WoWs should inplement it as well. It is not a stupid mechanic anyway that should always have been part of the game.

Logic?

 

Edit: In fact stealth fire exists in WoWs as well.  ;-)     Hint: Smoke.....


Edited by Yaccay, 23 September 2017 - 05:15 PM.






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