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PoIestar #1 Posted 25 September 2017 - 11:06 PM

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So we got our long desired buffed British tanks.

Giving the Caernarvon nothing but a slightly better alpha dmg + DPM gun and a buffed turret, hell yeah why not. It's finally decent. Giving the Charioteer more gun derp, the versitality buff it needed. So far so good. Made me curious, considering UK is WG's masochist country of choice, they can't bring out OP/broken/overbuffed tanks...

Well nah. The Conway and FV4005 are now completely broken if you ask me. Only to add speedy tanks to the derp gun meta, bad idea, really, really bad. 

 

I was liking where WG was going with the Centurions being competitive again, Super Conqueror which is okay I guess, but they just needed to screw something up again, didn't they?

 

So I wanted to get that sorted. I like the idea of Brits getting buffed, I dislike the idea of more broken derpgun tanks. 



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View PostPoIestar, on 26 September 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

So I wanted to get that sorted. I like the idea of Brits getting buffed, I dislike the idea of more broken derpgun tanks. 

You should mention that in your next meeting with the devs, then. It's your game, after all.



laulaur #3 Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:06 AM

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I tried FV4005 on test server and is stupidly OP. I hope the monkeys from the balance team realize it and do not release it like this.

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View Postlaulaur, on 25 September 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

I tried FV4005 on test server and is stupidly OP. I hope the monkeys from the balance team realize it and do not release it like this.

 

I hope they do release it like this because it's about bloody time that a high-tier British tank was OP, even if it's nerfed in the following patch. :izmena:

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View Postlaulaur, on 26 September 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

I tried FV4005 on test server and is stupidly OP. I hope the monkeys from the balance team realize it and do not release it like this.

 

You mean the same people that balanced this game past 3 patches? :trollface:

 

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UrQuan #6 Posted 26 September 2017 - 01:17 AM

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View Postlaulaur, on 26 September 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

I tried FV4005 on test server and is stupidly OP. I hope the monkeys from the balance team realize it and do not release it like this.

 

These are the same people that gave the Type 5 a nerf & weakspots that nobody notices. Also the folks that nerfed the Maus so hard I actually had trouble realizing it got a nerf. My hopes are not high on your request. 

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It's deliberate , op tank makes people free xp to get it fast to enjoy it pre nerf , mucho dollars for wg

vasilinhorulezz #8 Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:43 AM

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View PostUrQuan, on 26 September 2017 - 01:17 AM, said:

 

These are the same people that gave the Type 5 a nerf & weakspots that nobody notices. Also the folks that nerfed the Maus so hard I actually had trouble realizing it got a nerf. My hopes are not high on your request. 

 

Loled so hard reading this.

Hedgehog1963 #9 Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:55 AM

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Between the British battleships in the boats being OP and now the sh*t barn truly becoming Death Star II in the tanks, it a good time to be alive.

Edited by Hedgehog1963, 26 September 2017 - 07:56 AM.


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Conway is fine as it is on test currently, it isnt any more broken then a derp T49 a tank most people find fine because raisins. i dont see the issue with the hesh rounds given how low the penn on them are and the high cost just not worth the risk using them imo. 

 

its not like they have insane alpha or anything, as for the speed on the conway it has low penn for a tier 9 td so it needs something to mitigate that. 



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Yeh IMO Conway is fine.  770 alpha is only 20 higher than T30, 704 etc. but they have 75-100 more pen so are massively more reliable, the Conway then has 260 pen AP with 600 alpha, which is a gun much worse than the Jagdtigers gun. 

 

Means the Conway will struggle with anything well armoured, having low standard pen and no high pen premium round.  Plus the HESH rounds are stupidly expensive at 7200 credits for 770 alpha with 200 pen so I suspect in the current meta most people will just use the 120mm, you get better gun handling, more DPM, a fully rotating turret and a premium round that can actually challenge Type 5s and Maus. 

 

People need to remember that the Conway (and the Tortoise) are TDs with a heavy tank's gun, and a low alpha one at that (most heavies on tier 9 have 440 - 490 alpha) and have heavy tank penetration, so they don;t get the general benefits most TDs have of getting a big scary gun that reliably pens stuff. 

 

Yeh it goes 50kph and has gun depression now, but then something like the AMX 30 has gun depression, goes 65, has much better gun handling, is way more agile, has some armour, has high pen HEAT and has 2.8k base DPM for 390 alpha. 

 

The Conway currently has none of that stuff and it's only real advantage over an AMX 30 is DPM, seems a lot to give up mobility, gun handling, armour etc. for DPM. So it needed some love.

 

If anything the new gun is underpowered IMO. the HESH pen should be more like 220 and the cost of the shell should be more like 5k credits. 

 

The FV4005 is overbuffed but will be fine if they tone down the mobility a bit. 


Edited by tajj7, 26 September 2017 - 10:15 AM.


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I can't be bothered to test the FV4005 stage II on the test server, but I saw a few videos about it. Looks great to me. Sure, it might seem a bit OP, but it's not like it has anything going for it other than the high alpha. Just remove the extra 5 rounds and it should be fine. Lel.



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View PostPoIestar, on 25 September 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

So we got our long desired buffed British tanks.

Giving the Caernarvon nothing but a slightly better alpha dmg + DPM gun and a buffed turret, hell yeah why not. It's finally decent. Giving the Charioteer more gun derp, the versitality buff it needed. So far so good. Made me curious, considering UK is WG's masochist country of choice, they can't bring out OP/broken/overbuffed tanks...

Well nah. The Conway and FV4005 are now completely broken if you ask me. Only to add speedy tanks to the derp gun meta, bad idea, really, really bad. 

 

I was liking where WG was going with the Centurions being competitive again, Super Conqueror which is okay I guess, but they just needed to screw something up again, didn't they?

 

So I wanted to get that sorted. I like the idea of Brits getting buffed, I dislike the idea of more broken derpgun tanks. 

 

leave the fv4005 alone! it deserves to be raised into glorious derp heaven. shhhhh and bog off!

unrealname #14 Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:59 AM

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honestly? british tanks deserve to be good, but there is one thing that they possibly miscalculated, dpm on 32pdr gun is way too high, they probably forgot that it has 280 alpha instead of 230.

And if we talk about fv4005, its still not going to be like the pre-nerf deathstar, yes it has mobility and stuff, more shells, but imo a lot of things has changed since fv215b183 ruled the battlefields years ago, i must admit that FV for me was the scariest opponent back then, when it had that high HESH pen.


Edited by Bond90, 26 September 2017 - 11:02 AM.


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View PostUrQuan, on 26 September 2017 - 12:17 AM, said:

 

These are the same people that gave the Type 5 a nerf & weakspots that nobody notices. Also the folks that nerfed the Maus so hard I actually had trouble realizing it got a nerf. My hopes are not high on your request. 

 

How ironic that balancing seems to be Wargaming's weakspot.

muppetgirl #16 Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View Postlaulaur, on 25 September 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

I tried FV4005 on test server and is stupidly OP. I hope the monkeys from the balance team realize it and do not release it like this.

 

Is the FV4005 not limited to 12 or 16 very expensive rounds?

Uebergewicht #17 Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:27 PM

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View Postmuppetgirl, on 26 September 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

 

Is the FV4005 not limited to 12 or 16 very expensive rounds?

 

20 on the test server, and it gets the choice of either "regular" JPZ-100 like rounds with 1050 dmg and 300mm pen or really expensive HESH rounds with 1750 alpha and 220mm pen.

Edited by Uebergewicht, 26 September 2017 - 12:27 PM.


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So what's the problem of having British OP Tanks?

 

British tanks are one of the best tanks in the world, specially the Medium, Heavies and lights. Completely absurd for example for British tier X tanks to be inferior to Germans when either they are completely obsolete or they are based on British design and guns.

 

The only strange thing is why did WG had to create fable tanks, and not do justice to the Challenger- FV, Conqueror, Chieftain and Centurian

 

And by the way, comparing stats the FV still looks very far away from the Grille and even the Jg.pz


Edited by pecopad, 26 September 2017 - 12:39 PM.


PoIestar #19 Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:49 PM

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View Postpecopad, on 26 September 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

So what's the problem of having British OP Tanks?

 

That the last time "OP" and "British" were combined, the computer didn't even exist.



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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 26 September 2017 - 06:43 AM, said:

 

Loled so hard reading this.

 

why?

 






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