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Kozzy #201 Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 27 September 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

If it takes you a year and hundred Euros to grind tier 6 and 8 tanks then a tier 10 reward tank is wasted on you. For normal players most people can get enough tanks to participate in clan wars in about 4-5 months or less.

 

 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 27 September 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

 

We know what it is, but we have to provide feedback and an outrage now, not after you announce it officialy, then its too late.

We give you feedback NOW so you can change it BEFORE the event, not when the event is already set in stone and our feedback is only listened to next year campaign.

 

One question, a purely hypothetical one: Does WG EU have the power to give out a T10 reward tank when RU does not?

 

Well, I have been following this topic since it started gathering momentum and forwarded it to our product specialist and producer so they can take it into account when they start the planning process, so the feedback part is taken care of :)

 

About the hypothetical question: The answer is that hypothetically we do. The regions can decide to customize the Seasons to better suit the needs of their respective audiences. 



CoDiGGo #203 Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:50 PM

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View PostPh3lan, on 27 September 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

Well, I have been following this topic since it started gathering momentum and forwarded it to our product specialist and producer so they can take it into account when they start the planning process, so the feedback part is taken care of :)

 

About the hypothetical question: The answer is, hypothetically we do. The regions can decide to customize the Seasons to better suit the needs of their respective audiences. 

 

If we get a reward tank and the russians not u will see riot over there :P

WindSpIitter1 #205 Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:57 PM

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View PostStatpadderer, on 27 September 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

Iirc, I went to Goa for a holiday in the middle of that campaign.

 

This man had the right idea tbqhf. Beaches, forest, hills, illegal substances, cheap food, cheap booze, cheap transport, cows on the streets and lots of lost souls. Bonus points for the hilarity of asking directions to a bunch of Indian guys. 

 



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View PostDragokar, on 27 September 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

 

If we get a reward tank and the russians not u will see riot over there :P

 

The europeans getting better rewards than the russians? Blasphemy. :)

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View PostPh3lan, on 27 September 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

Well, I have been following this topic since it started gathering momentum and forwarded it to our product specialist and producer so they can take it into account when they start the planning process, so the feedback part is taken care of :)

 

About the hypothetical question: The answer is that hypothetically we do. The regions can decide to customize the Seasons to better suit the needs of their respective audiences. 

 

Than you for answering the question and I hope we have a great campaign.

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View Posttajj7, on 27 September 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

A level playing field being were everyone can join a clan and grind the tanks needed for clans wars and don't need to spend any money to do it? Cos that is the reality of the situation.

 

So we need to add the word 'level' to 'fair', as words you do not understand the meaning of. 

 

Hell in the last campaign I got enough points for tank pretty much just playing tier 6 tanks. 

 

Not like there are nearly 19k Obj. 907s on the Eu server, oh wait there are, just so you get the maths, 19k is more than 'a couple'. 

 

19k is a couple compared to the playerbase size. 

 

How is it exactly fair for a game that advertises itself as F2P to have a ton of content locked to the casual player? Sounds real fair and level. "Join WoT, its F2P if you want to be cannon fodder to the P2W brigade" Nice!

 

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 If it takes you a year and hundred Euros to grind tier 6 and 8 tanks then a tier 10 reward tank is wasted on you. For normal players most people can get enough tanks to participate in clan wars in about 4-5 months or less.

 

You'd need to grind to like one tier 10, have an IS3, a couple of tier 6 tanks and you are pretty much there. 

 

It takes a year because i don't have the time to play 5 hours every day. Thanks for saying its wasted on me, it just shows the blind elitism that's gripped this forum. No wonder WG do so many mistakes when it comes to balance and rewards where all they have for feedback is people who basically take this game as a second job and all they care about is their shiny stats. If you don't have shiny stats you're unimportant and your opinion is apparently a "whine". 

 



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View PostLevana777, on 27 September 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

19k is a couple compared to the playerbase size. 

 

How is it exactly fair for a game that advertises itself as F2P to have a ton of content locked to the casual player? Sounds real fair and level. "Join WoT, its F2P if you want to be cannon fodder to the P2W brigade" Nice!

 

 

It takes a year because i don't have the time to play 5 hours every day. Thanks for saying its wasted on me, it just shows the blind elitism that's gripped this forum. No wonder WG do so many mistakes when it comes to balance and rewards where all they have for feedback is people who basically take this game as a second job and all they care about is their shiny stats. If you don't have shiny stats you're unimportant and your opinion is apparently a "whine". 

 

 

With that mentality all tier 10 tanks are pretty much locked to you, not just reward tanks. It takes time to get to tier 10, but for you it's locked behind a pay wall because you don't have 5 hours per day to grind there. Any tier 10 tank takes hundreds of games to unlock, the CW reward tanks only differ in that you actually need to play LESS games to get them but the games are at set times and between clans.

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View PostPh3lan, on 27 September 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

Well, I have been following this topic since it started gathering momentum and forwarded it to our product specialist and producer so they can take it into account when they start the planning process, so the feedback part is taken care of :)

 

About the hypothetical question: The answer is that hypothetically we do. The regions can decide to customize the Seasons to better suit the needs of their respective audiences. 

 

Thank you both for the answer and actually coming back to this topic to check on it. :)

 

Only last year we would've seen a reply from WG staff on the first page and then it would have been completely neglected and abandoned to sizzle out, so a very positive change!

 

+1 from me.

 

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Im actually quite interested what the intended rewards (and effort/amount of games needed to get them) are if there arent to be any tonks given out. I really am curious as to what WG considers great/fat economical rewards.

 

For me personally, for the amount of effort it took to get the previous T10 reward tonks on average, id expect at the very least something like 7k+ gold and 50k+ bonds per player (not for the top players, but for players/clans at the level where i/we usually end up). For less than that i wouldnt bother.

 

But of course wg might give out neither gold nor bonds and the effort needed might be much less. But then again, 3-4 weeks of only T10 seems like extreme pain in the [edited]and like -300k+ credits every day, for total of at least -8mil credits for whole campaign. That in itself probably isnt even worth 7k gold considering that during a campaign one doesnt really have time to play other stuff than campaign. Well, we'll see what WG come up with.

 

Inb4 10-20x of each personal reserve, 1 camo, 5000 bonds, 3 ingame icons and 500k boxes for the clan. Which is pretty much what id expect from WG.


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This would be less of a problem if Obj 907 wasn't OP.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 27 September 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

Than you for answering the question and I hope we have a great campaign.

 

View PostCobra6, on 27 September 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Thank you both for the answer and actually coming back to this topic to check on it. :)

 

Only last year we would've seen a reply from WG staff on the first page and then it would have been completely neglected and abandoned to sizzle out, so a very positive change!

 

+1 from me.

 

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Thanks for noticing :)



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View PostK_A, on 27 September 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

With that mentality all tier 10 tanks are pretty much locked to you, not just reward tanks. It takes time to get to tier 10, but for you it's locked behind a pay wall because you don't have 5 hours per day to grind there. Any tier 10 tank takes hundreds of games to unlock, the CW reward tanks only differ in that you actually need to play LESS games to get them but the games are at set times and between clans.

 

Nope, because i can take as long as i want to get those tier 10's. For reward tanks i would need quite a few tanks now, including crews (which i could just buy lel) then an obsecene amount of time to play the campaign and find a clan that is actually going for the tank and would let me join.

 

Completely unfair to the casual player.



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View PostLevana777, on 27 September 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

19k is a couple compared to the playerbase size. 

 

How is it exactly fair for a game that advertises itself as F2P to have a ton of content locked to the casual player? Sounds real fair and level. "Join WoT, its F2P if you want to be cannon fodder to the P2W brigade" Nice!

 

 

It takes a year because i don't have the time to play 5 hours every day. Thanks for saying its wasted on me, it just shows the blind elitism that's gripped this forum. No wonder WG do so many mistakes when it comes to balance and rewards where all they have for feedback is people who basically take this game as a second job and all they care about is their shiny stats. If you don't have shiny stats you're unimportant and your opinion is apparently a "whine". 

 

 

No it's not, it's about 2.2% of the active playerbase, which is quite a lot considering most people don't play tier 10.

 

Also all free to play games have content behind a paywall otherwise they make no money, but clan wars reward tanks are not one of them so your point is irrelevant. 

 

Your Edited over elitism is again irrelevant, because it has little to do with how well you play, but more about how much effort you put in. Also you cna make up figures all you like but people do need need to play 5 hours a day to grind tier 10 tanks. 

 

And actually most of WG's balance mistakes come out because they pander far too much to ignorant players like you who have no idea what they are talking about and then take that ignorance onto the forums to demand WG make the game easier and more favourable to them, instead of them engaging their brain, putting some effort in and actually learning how to play the game and improve. 

 

Type 5 heavy, OP Maus, corridor maps, Defender etc. were all called out as OP or Broken by knowledgeable players BEFORE they got released 

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks.


Edited by VMX, 06 October 2017 - 03:23 PM.


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View PostLevana777, on 27 September 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Nope, because i can take as long as i want to get those tier 10's. For reward tanks i would need quite a few tanks now, including crews (which i could just buy lel) then an obsecene amount of time to play the campaign and find a clan that is actually going for the tank and would let me join.

 

Completely unfair to the casual player.

Please note they are called "reward" tanks, not "gift" tanks. They are not intended as a shortcut for people to get a T10 tank fast. So what do you think you have accomplished to be rewarded with a T10 tank?

 

Also you can play the game for free, that's the definition of F2P. Nowhere does it say that you can get all and everything for free. Most premium tanks have a big fat price tag directly attached, and personally I think there should be more stuff that's exclusive for premium accounts.

And that is pretty much true for all big F2P games, the paywall is just hidden differently. They are called F2P and not just "free" for a reason.



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View PostLevana777, on 27 September 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

It takes a year because i don't have the time to play 5 hours every day. Thanks for saying its wasted on me, it just shows the blind elitism that's gripped this forum. No wonder WG do so many mistakes when it comes to balance and rewards where all they have for feedback is people who basically take this game as a second job and all they care about is their shiny stats. If you don't have shiny stats you're unimportant and your opinion is apparently a "whine". 

 

Is blind elitism when someone good is staring you in the face but you just can't see them?

 

View Posttajj7, on 27 September 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

And actually most of WG's balance mistakes come out because they pander far too much to ignorant players like you who have no idea what they are talking about and then take that ignorance onto the forums to demand WG make the game easier and more favourable to them, instead of them engaging their brain, putting some effort in and actually learning how to play the game and improve. 

 

 

 Why should WG design around the "blind elite"? Shouldn't they be designing it around the "wealthy but ignorant"?

 

Let's not forget the Type 5 is at the top of a very, very long grind, and for an idiot proof tank you're going to need a lot of time/free XP to get it. Why would you grind that far for a broken tank if you're knowledgeable about the game.

 

Unless you just want it for "fun"?

 



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View PostPh3lan, on 27 September 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

 

Thanks for noticing :)

 

Hey I might be bitter from years of neglect and bad community management but I'm not unreasonable! :teethhappy: If you do good I do notice and I am grateful for it ;)

 

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sgtYester #219 Posted 27 September 2017 - 05:15 PM

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View Postshishx_the_animal, on 27 September 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

Is this turning to one of those "I don't play clan wars and don't want to invest time to get a campaign reward tank but it should be available to everyone" discussions?

 

no, more in a "oh no, when we the top clans rig battles and let ppl buy themsleves a place in our clan we wont get any special tank anymore...REEE REEE" 

 

something like that. 

 

 reward tanks are nice in a way but should never be better than regular tanks.  



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View PostsgtYester, on 27 September 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

 reward tanks are nice in a way but should never be better than regular tanks.  

True, and reward tanks havent been bought by money so there is no reason to not nerf them.

So nerf the 907 already!






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