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matej100 #1 Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:35 PM

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Grille 15 is really bad in terms of accuracy, i know grille has the most precise gun in wot but it misses a lot . Also for 850 hp engine and 40 ton tank it turnes very slow and acceleration is bad, top speed is 60 but i only see it going downhill.

Grille was good before when it had 900 hp engine and better gun handling, now compared to strv 103  or new fw 4202, it is a joke .

 

 

E-100 also needs a buff , either in lower plate armor or front turret armor. It is just bad when you cant face tier 8 or 9 from the front because you get penetrated easily, compared to type 5 or maus .(or is-4)  It would be great to use hull down on german tank for change.

also the side armor is bad ( i know it has 120 plus at least 60 mm of spaced)  but armor behind first wheel is only 120 and it is perfect for tracking and damaging. They should improve side armor behind wheels.

 

E-50M could use front turret armor buff because pattons have 300 mm efective armor on theirs.

 

Oh and foch b gun reminds me of something that was OP before ? :)



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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Grille 15 is really bad in terms of accuracy, i know grille has the most precise gun in wot but it misses a lot . Also for 850 hp engine and 40 ton tank it turnes very slow and acceleration is bad, top speed is 60 but i only see it going downhill.

Grille was good before when it had 900 hp engine and better gun handling, now compared to strv 103  or new fw 4202, it is a joke .

 

 

E-100 also needs a buff , either in lower plate armor or front turret armor. It is just bad when you cant face tier 8 or 9 from the front because you get penetrated easily, compared to type 5 or maus .(or is-4)  It would be great to use hull down on german tank for change.

also the side armor is bad ( i know it has 120 plus at least 60 mm of spaced)  but armor behind first wheel is only 120 and it is perfect for tracking and damaging. They should improve side armor behind wheels.

 

E-50M could use front turret armor buff because pattons have 300 mm efective armor on theirs.

 

Oh and foch b gun reminds me of something that was OP before ? :)

1 - Grille was ridiculous before and needed a slight nerf, And is a different play style of TD compared to STRV, and FV 4202 is completely different given its a tier 8 med..

 

2 -  The tank doesnt need a buff,  You just need to learn how to angle the turret and hull properly, something you should know by now if you played the tanks before it.

edit - Also the tiny spot in between the LFP and drive wheel thats 170mm effective when angled is a very good weakspot for lower tier tanks if you know what you are doing, Ive penned this multiple times with tanks that have bad penetration. Why remove even more weak spots from this game? and encourage even more 2 key spam

 

3 -  E50M has much better gun, mobility and hull armour. Why would it be fair if that also got fantastic turret armour? No tank should have everything, Albeit the DPM on the E50M is worse yes, But the accuracy and mix of fantastic hull armour for a medium and good mobility make up for that. The tank is very good and workable even with the weak turret.

 

4 - Huh, i didnt realise the Foch B was super accurate with good pen, 560 alpha and a full turret.


Edited by xx984, 27 September 2017 - 06:49 PM.


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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Grille 15 is really bad in terms of accuracy, i know grille has the most precise gun in wot but it misses a lot . Also for 850 hp engine and 40 ton tank it turnes very slow and acceleration is bad, top speed is 60 but i only see it going downhill.

Grille was good before when it had 900 hp engine and better gun handling, now compared to strv 103  or new fw 4202, it is a joke .

 

 

E-100 also needs a buff , either in lower plate armor or front turret armor. It is just bad when you cant face tier 8 or 9 from the front because you get penetrated easily, compared to type 5 or maus .(or is-4)  It would be great to use hull down on german tank for change.

also the side armor is bad ( i know it has 120 plus at least 60 mm of spaced)  but armor behind first wheel is only 120 and it is perfect for tracking and damaging. They should improve side armor behind wheels.

 

E-50M could use front turret armor buff because pattons have 300 mm efective armor on theirs.

 

Oh and foch b gun reminds me of something that was OP before ? :)

 

A very generic statement - care to clarify?

Coldspell #4 Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:48 PM

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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Grille 15 is really bad in terms of accuracy, i know grille has the most precise gun in wot but it misses a lot . Also for 850 hp engine and 40 ton tank it turnes very slow and acceleration is bad, top speed is 60 but i only see it going downhill.

Grille was good before when it had 900 hp engine and better gun handling, now compared to strv 103  or new fw 4202, it is a joke .

 

 

E-100 also needs a buff , either in lower plate armor or front turret armor. It is just bad when you cant face tier 8 or 9 from the front because you get penetrated easily, compared to type 5 or maus .(or is-4)  It would be great to use hull down on german tank for change.

also the side armor is bad ( i know it has 120 plus at least 60 mm of spaced)  but armor behind first wheel is only 120 and it is perfect for tracking and damaging. They should improve side armor behind wheels.

 

E-50M could use front turret armor buff because pattons have 300 mm efective armor on theirs.

 

Oh and foch b gun reminds me of something that was OP before ? :)

 

So the low pen 6 round autoloader on a turretless tank destroy that if you manage to pen with Gold might clip a tank reminds you of the turreted autoloader that at one stage had a gun that could clip 2 tier 10 tanks and if it hit crapit with gold it was more then likely going through......... I've played both.. there is no comparison.

The Wt auf e100 was broken as hell the Foch B is a turretless TD with poor armour which says worlds in itself and it will bounce a lot of its shots.

 

As for German tanks being weaker in general yes.... maybe 2-3 years ago... but nowhere near as bad as the brits have it.

Except a few tanks like the Tiger P which have lagged behind most German tanks have been kept relevant and yes the Grille 15 got overnerfed and is a POS that doesn't automatically make germany bad... hell half my battles are in German vehicles... they aren't bad.


Edited by Coldspell, 27 September 2017 - 06:49 PM.


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Misleading topic,

so you just mean the tier 10 tanks?

 

Sorry, E100 is not bad, nor is the E-50M.

Ok, it may be weak, but it's not bad.



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German fanboyism is so 2012.

 

The only thing they suffer from is the fact that newbie players are attracted to them like flies, which brings their stats down, which leads to them being overbuffed.



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View PostHomer_J, on 27 September 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

German fanboyism is so 2012.

 

The only thing they suffer from is the fact that newbie players are attracted to them like flies, which brings their stats down, which leads to them being overbuffed.

 

That also goes for most of the tech trees tho, Alot of people go for the "iconic tanks" such as Tiger, T-34-85's, KV's, Centurions. Type 5 heavy... Oh wait... :hiding:

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View Postxx984, on 27 September 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

1 - Grille was ridiculous before and needed a slight nerf, And is a different play style of TD compared to STRV, and FV 4202 is completely different given its a tier 8 med..

 

2 -  The tank doesnt need a buff,  You just need to learn how to angle the turret and hull properly, something you should know by now if you played the tanks before it.

edit - Also the tiny spot in between the LFP and drive wheel thats 170mm effective when angled is a very good weakspot for lower tier tanks if you know what you are doing, Ive penned this multiple times with tanks that have bad penetration. Why remove even more weak spots from this game? and encourage even more 2 key spam

 

3 -  E50M has much better gun, mobility and hull armour. Why would it be fair if that also got fantastic turret armour? No tank should have everything, Albeit the DPM on the E50M is worse yes, But the accuracy and mix of fantastic hull armour for a medium and good mobility make up for that. The tank is very good and workable even with the weak turret.

 

4 - Huh, i didnt realise the Foch B was super accurate with good pen, 560 alpha and a full turret.

 

I meant fv 4005 there is so much tanks tanks in game that i forgot names

about E 100 ,try to angle turret and shoot at enemy,dont tell me i need to learn because i know

 i am talking about when you are not angling and shooting there should be more armor in the front because of that.

 

Grille maybe was little ridiculous before and need a slight nerf, but wargaming didnt nerf  it a little ,they nerf it a lot. And yea you cant compare STRV with grille because grille doesnt have effective armor or camo like STRV so whats your point 

And STRV has better accuracy 

 

 



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No they are not.

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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

 

I meant fv 4005 there is so much tanks tanks in game that i forgot names

about E 100 ,try to angle turret and shoot at enemy,dont tell me i need to learn because i know

 i am talking about when you are not angling and shooting there should be more armor in the front because of that.

 

Grille maybe was little ridiculous before and need a slight nerf, but wargaming didnt nerf  it a little ,they nerf it a lot. And yea you cant compare STRV with grille because grille doesnt have effective armor or camo like STRV so whats your point 

And STRV has better accuracy 

 

 

While grille has better alpha, a slight turret, better mobility and in general is alot more flexible 

 

And with the E100, No there should not be, Yet again why remove even more weak spots? Players should be rewarded for knowing where to aim, No tank needs to be completely impenetrable 


Edited by xx984, 27 September 2017 - 09:09 PM.


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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 27 September 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

 

A very generic statement - care to clarify?

 

whats to clarify i explained whats wrong 

german tanks are in the game long time and wargaming didnt update them to match newer tanks, because all high tier tanks are postwar except germans (leopard is exeption) and cant deflect  HEAT round because they are box shaped . HEAT loves box shaped .

 



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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

 

whats to clarify i explained whats wrong

german tanks are in the game long time and wargaming didnt update them to match newer tanks, because all high tier tanks are postwar except germans (leopard is exeption) and cant deflect  HEAT round because they are box shaped . HEAT loves box shaped .

 

 

You mentioned three tanks - the German tech tree contains a lot more than that.

 



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View Postxx984, on 27 September 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

While grille has better alpha, a slight turret, better mobility and in general is alot more flexible 

 

And with the E100, No there should not be, Yet again why remove even more weak spots? Players should be rewarded for knowing where to aim, No tank needs to be completely impenetrable 

 

Grille has bad turret in terms of mobility and gun handling STRV is much more precise with,it doesnt have better mobility and flexibile maybe in city maps, in open maps its the same maybe even better for STRV because of front armor

 

For E-100 -add turret armor and leave lower plate as it is. It will have weak spot ( a large one) but it can hide it. And you kill it by flanking it. Heavy tanks have best armor on the front because of absorbing shells and E-100 is a joke with armor it has right now.



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 27 September 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

 

You mentioned three tanks - the German tech tree contains a lot more than that.

 

i did not know that ,i always thought tree starts at tier 8 (if your name is Sheldon that is called sarcasm )

 

e-75 and tiger 2 have the same problems, Maus line is ok and pzkpfw 7 line is also ok ,but these have different playstyle 

and i am talking about heavys here not the whole tech tree



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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 08:43 PM, said:

i did not know that ,i always thought tree starts at tier 8 (if your name is Sheldon that is called sarcasm )

 

e-75 and tiger 2 have the same problems, Maus line is ok and pzkpfw 7 line is also ok ,but these have different playstyle

and i am talking about heavys here not the whole tech tree

 

So, your statement is a little vague then?


Edited by Erwin_Von_Braun, 27 September 2017 - 09:48 PM.


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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 27 September 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

So, your statement is complete garbage?

 

yea it is i am just here to waste your time Sheldon

but what statement exactly?



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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

 

yea it is i am just here to waste your time Sheldon

but what statement exactly?

 

'German tanks are bad in comparison to other'

All German tanks?

In comparison to what?


 



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View Postmatej100, on 27 September 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

Grille has bad turret in terms of mobility and gun handling STRV is much more precise with,it doesnt have better mobility and flexibile maybe in city maps, in open maps its the same maybe even better for STRV because of front armor

 

For E-100 -add turret armor and leave lower plate as it is. It will have weak spot ( a large one) but it can hide it. And you kill it by flanking it. Heavy tanks have best armor on the front because of absorbing shells and E-100 is a joke with armor it has right now.

Do you know what flexible means?



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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 27 September 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

 

'German tanks are bad in comparison to other'

All German tanks?

In comparison to what?


 

To other tanks that have same roll or similar gameplay to german tanks







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