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Excavatus #1 Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

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Guys,

 

We have a group on our phones with my tanking buddies we share and laugh and spit gold around.

Today someone shared an account stats of a player (no naming shaming here)

Just one thing is enough for my question,

He has 28K+ matches and 38 WN8 average and %30WR average

Just 38.

 

So this fused 2 questions in my mind which I dont know the answer.

Is it possible to have this kind of WN8 through actual playing the game, If that is a yes please tell me how it is do you think?

Because this numbers tell me, that may be the calculation of WN8 is somewhat broken. and I am not talking about the way it calculates. Yes I know it takes mostly damage bla bla..

But instead I think, when you take the average guy the calculation is ok, but when you go to the extreme end of the spectrums, the numbers are wrong due to the failed and wrongly constructed equations.

If this is the case, we need to take a look at the lowest point as well as the ultra high unicums.. because both numbers must be false equally...

 

The other question is,

If all the calculations are correct,

we always thought, %40-45 WR and 300-400 WN8 is bot stats, which can be achieved by bots.

Then what is this?

Lets say, this is a very badly programmed bot.. and all the numbers are correct..

 

Then why it is still active in game after 28K botting... ??

and what a person can achive after botting 28K matches??

 

As a player, I try to convert myself into the vanilla as much as I can, there may be only 3 or 4 ingame mods left I still use,

and I stopped using WN8 a long time ago.. But even WG thinks that is an indicator of player style and quality..

 

PS: This is just a brainstorming thing.. I would like to read your thoughts as well as all the trolling you will give :) at the end there are dingers around!



250swb #2 Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:57 AM

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Not sure if this is relevant to your question but a player at the weekend caught my eye and had similar stats. His tactic in the game was not to shoot teammates but to troll as many as he could by pushing them, and even when one or two lost their patience and shot him he never shot back (not even at the enemy), just carried on pushing. I suppose if this behaviour was continued over many thousands of battles it would hamper enough teams to get a very low WR and also a very low WN8 for himself, but equally it would also generate thousands of complaints, so I don't understand how he's still allowed to play? Either way I can't think how else anybody could get such a low WN8.

malachi6 #3 Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:03 AM

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I watched QB play the game with his eyes.  There is more than one way to be a "bad" player.  Problem with WN8 is it pretty much only factors damage done.  I think some players could be quite active but playing in such a way as WN8 will not reward it.

 

Hopefully WG's new system will take off.  Though I imagine the true stat whores will find many, many faults.


Edited by malachi6, 28 September 2017 - 11:04 AM.


CmdRatScabies #4 Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:07 AM

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Lately I've been able to get 30% win rates whilst trying hard to win.  Some days I would do better parked at the back shooting the map next door.

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:11 PM

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You get more wn8 when you just yolo the enemy....this guy must be doing something extremely wrong.

qpranger #6 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:24 PM

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As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Kozzy #7 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:28 PM

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View Postmalachi6, on 28 September 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

I watched QB play the game with his eyes.  There is more than one way to be a "bad" player.  Problem with WN8 is it pretty much only factors damage done.  I think some players could be quite active but playing in such a way as WN8 will not reward it.

 

Hopefully WG's new system will take off.  Though I imagine the true stat whores will find many, many faults.

 

Wasn't he playing arty in that video?  A class that can literally be played with no hands :trollface:

 

Even if the guy was spotting and not firing his gun at all, he would have got some more wins at least.  I'm guessing just afk/botting - not moving and not shooting.  Maybe the odd damage from people ramming him, hence the 0> WN8.



The_Georgian_One #8 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:29 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 28 September 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

You get more wn8 when you just yolo the enemy....this guy must be doing something extremely wrong.

 

Given the win rate he has to be actively disturbing his team by pushing, blocking, etc. This account should be suspended if any type of automated system actually was there...

Edited by The_Georgian_One, 28 September 2017 - 12:30 PM.


Xenasys #9 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:32 PM

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View Postqpranger, on 28 September 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

 

Now i am confused so if the known knowns are known does that mean the unknowns are unknown

CmdRatScabies #10 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:34 PM

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View PostXenasys, on 28 September 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

 

Now i am confused so if the known knowns are known does that mean the unknowns are unknown

 

No one knows.



Dragonlordcv #11 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:35 PM

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6-8 y.o. kid maybe where mom or dad found a way to let them be at peace for a lil while

Rati_Festa #12 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:35 PM

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If he was platooned with other bots constantly it would cause a worse than 40% wr. As the teams would always have 3 dud players in and have far more chance of losing.

arthurwellsley #13 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:39 PM

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I made an account for my 9 year old daughter.

53% win rate

wn8 = 602

Highest tier tank is V.

 

So my guess would be an even younger child than 9 years.



Dava_117 #14 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View PostXenasys, on 28 September 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

 

Now i am confused so if the known knowns are known does that mean the unknowns are unknown

 

Well, there are thing we know that we don't know. For example we may know that we don't know the actual fatigue resistance of an alluminium plate.

At the same time there are unknown known. Example is the walkytalky building in London. We know that a parabolic surface would concentrate light, but the architect didn't knew it (or better forget about it) so the building produced death ray for a while.

And in the end there are also the unkown unknown, the we ignore because we don't know it. Pesky one!



Enforcer1975 #15 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:42 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 28 September 2017 - 12:39 PM, said:

I made an account for my 9 year old daughter.

53% win rate

wn8 = 602

Highest tier tank is V.

 

So my guess would be an even younger child than 9 years.

 

Or it's really something like this between chair and keyboard...



RandomBlank #16 Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:51 PM

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I remember a rage and reports being sent to WG about one idiot who bragged about his "tactic to get to Tier X fast".

 

He didn't use bots - he did everything manually. He had a bunch of fast Tier 5 tanks. He'd take the tank and drive it out to get it killed ASAP. Back to garage, next Tier 5 tank, battle, die. Repeat. He had actually 38% WR. That's worse than staying totally AFK. And due to the game balance, he'd come up ahead with credits and XP, because of a lot of "first spot" bonuses.



Timewarp76 #17 Posted 28 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

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I had a similar observation the other day at tier 4 and I messaged the guy and he actually told me that he had created an account to spot only. He had never fired a round in battle and got all his kills by ramming only. He said it was his own internal mission to get as high as he could in the account just by spotting and ramming. He said he didn't troll his team and never talked about it in game it was his own way of having fun.

Lycopersicon #18 Posted 28 September 2017 - 01:27 PM

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WN8 or 38 is entirely possible without botting or griefing. I achieved WN8 performance 35.65 over 111 games in PzIC, and I honestly did my best in every game. 30% WR, however, suggests that the person in question has spent his career actively hampering his teams - pushing out, blocking, telling positions when it was still possible, stuff like that.

Edited by Lycopersicon, 28 September 2017 - 01:29 PM.


Excavatus #19 Posted 28 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

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ok as I understand from some experience shared above,

obtaining two digit WN8 without botting or being an ARSE is possible..

not easy.. but possible.. even harder in 28K games.. but yet possibble..

 

But everyone has the same idea, to have %30WR he must have actively sabotage the team..

 

Even he is a bot or sabotaging the team without even doing team damage..

Where is the automated system? where is the reporting function? where is the "WE LOOK THOSE REPLAYS CAREFULLY"???

 



Version43 #20 Posted 28 September 2017 - 01:35 PM

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How are his recents compared to the overalls?





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