Jump to content


Best tank for 3 times HP bounced and 2k dmg?


  • Please log in to reply
54 replies to this topic

Dava_117 #21 Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:52 AM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

  • Player
  • 19891 battles
  • 3,481
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014
Why the T29 stock turret should be better than the top one? Same armour layout and frontal armor. What am I missing?

Chull #22 Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:55 AM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 31674 battles
  • 119
  • Member since:
    04-21-2012

After a few years of trying this mission with people recommending the T29 with small HP turret, IS6 etc in exasperation I started the Maus and Jap heavy line from scratch when I started playing again and I can say I never came close to blocking 3x HP with T29, easy to get the damage, but not the blocking, don't waste your time with T29.

 

Finally finished it when I got to the tier 8 Jap heavy O-HO using the derp, was top tier in the game, don't even bother trying if you're not top tier as most tanks in this game have zero armour.

 

  


Edited by Chull, 02 October 2017 - 11:59 AM.


OneSock #23 Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:57 AM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35390 battles
  • 1,708
  • [BBMM] BBMM
  • Member since:
    06-06-2011

KV4 No. Just no. With the MM how it is you will mostly see tier 9/10 and even the AP goes though no bother.

 

STI, good luck. at tier 9/10 most players just switch to gold or HE when they realise they can't pen you. not possible unless very lucky.

 

I'm trying to get T29 for this mission.



Chull #24 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:01 PM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 31674 battles
  • 119
  • Member since:
    04-21-2012

View PostDava_117, on 02 October 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

Why the T29 stock turret should be better than the top one? Same armour layout and frontal armor. What am I missing?

 

Stock turret has less HP than final one.

Dava_117 #25 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:03 PM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

  • Player
  • 19891 battles
  • 3,481
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostOneSock, on 02 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

KV4 No. Just no. With the MM how it is you will mostly see tier 9/10 and even the AP goes though no bother.

 

STI, good luck. at tier 9/10 most players just switch to gold or HE when they realise they can't pen you. not possible unless very lucky.

 

I'm trying to get T29 for this mission.

 

I have serious doubt about your knowledge on how to play KV-4 or ST-I, especially if you can't block gold with ST-I turret!

Chull #26 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:11 PM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 31674 battles
  • 119
  • Member since:
    04-21-2012

View PostDava_117, on 02 October 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

I have serious doubt about your knowledge on how to play KV-4 or ST-I, especially if you can't block gold with ST-I turret!

 

Again you're thinking like those who recommend T29 for this mission, a strong turret on it's own is useless. I have neither of these russian tanks, but fighting them I have zero problem penning, KV4 I find is a moving petrol can and I have never shot the ST in the turret, why would anyone do that?

 


Edited by Chull, 02 October 2017 - 12:12 PM.


K_A #27 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:18 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 13643 battles
  • 4,665
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    04-18-2013

View PostDava_117, on 02 October 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

Why the T29 stock turret should be better than the top one? Same armour layout and frontal armor. What am I missing?

 

Less HP.

K_A #28 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:20 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 13643 battles
  • 4,665
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    04-18-2013

View PostChull, on 02 October 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

After a few years of trying this mission with people recommending the T29 with small HP turret, IS6 etc in exasperation I started the Maus and Jap heavy line from scratch when I started playing again and I can say I never came close to blocking 3x HP with T29, easy to get the damage, but not the blocking, don't waste your time with T29.

 

Finally finished it when I got to the tier 8 Jap heavy O-HO using the derp, was top tier in the game, don't even bother trying if you're not top tier as most tanks in this game have zero armour.

 

  

 

I did the first HT-12 with T29, second with T32 and third in the E5 so it's perfectly doable with the Murican heavies too, all you really need is one idiot with a big alpha gun on the enemy team.. :)



Rati_Festa #29 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:21 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 43774 battles
  • 1,516
  • Member since:
    02-10-2012
I attempted that mission in Black Prince, ST1, E100, IS4 and IS7 couldn't do it. Did it second game ever in my Mauschen, top tier game and I went to where the meds and lights like to spot snipe.

Edited by Rati_Festa, 02 October 2017 - 12:22 PM.


Dava_117 #30 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:23 PM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

  • Player
  • 19891 battles
  • 3,481
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostChull, on 02 October 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

Again you're thinking like those who recommend T29 for this mission, a strong turret on it's own is useless. I have neither of these russian tanks, but fighting them I have zero problem penning, KV4 I find is a moving petrol can and I have never shot the ST in the turret, why would anyone do that?

 

You would get surprised how muchpeople shot to ST-I turret.

BTW both those tanks are excelent sidescraper. I can recognize that KV-4 is not an easy or forgiving tank, but ST-I can combine sidescrape with hull down potential and a nice gun with good alpha and pen! It should not be difficoult to achive this mission in it.



Balc0ra #31 Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:35 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 66629 battles
  • 16,663
  • [WALL] WALL
  • Member since:
    07-10-2012

View PostOneSock, on 02 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

KV4 No. Just no. With the MM how it is you will mostly see tier 9/10 and even the AP goes though no bother.

 

 

I did the T-55A one with the KV-4 in a tier 9 heavy game before the 5-10, 3-5-7 MM limits on top tiers on mines vs no arty.  I suspect the KV-4 will be even easier next patch with all the hull weak spots removed, and the better turret check armor etc.

 

But considering what OP has. Blocking 2850 damage is not impossible on the O-I as top tier. There I suspect getting 2K damage reliably as top tier while holding fire to farm block damage is going to be the issue if the rest of his team is effective at farming their team. And O-I is not bouncing much if it's not top tier tbh.

 

2K damage is way easier on a tier 8 HT. And on the right map, getting 4500 blocked on the Patriot is not impossible either. As I've seen patriots get more then that even going valley on Lakeville as top tier.  And the VK 100.01 needs 5100. But if you get top tier vs an IS-6 etc as top tier on their team... then it should be easy to farm. As then they can't even get your weak spots with gold even.



Cobra6 #32 Posted 02 October 2017 - 01:03 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Beta Tester
  • 16333 battles
  • 15,843
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    09-17-2010

I always do these HT-12 missions with the KV-4, it's a great tank for that. Of course you do load premium ammo yourself but just find a good medium/long range spot, park at 45 degrees and shoot the enemy. When you are not shooting, make sure to rotate your turret around 30 degrees from the enemy, not 45 like your hull.

 

Cobra 6



geoff99 #33 Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:09 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 38631 battles
  • 200
  • [SPIKE] SPIKE
  • Member since:
    09-20-2012

I've been stuck on the T55a heavy missions for about 18 months (it took the previous 6 months to do LT15/3 with honours). I now have HT12 and HT15 left. I don't enjoy playing heavies so its a bit of a slog.

 

I've tried with the T29 but the tank's been in the game so long that even tomatoes realise that there's no point firing AP at the turret after a while. People know about E75 lfp and cupola (and face of turret with gold) so that's a long shot. Yes, you could complete the mission if top tier, but only if there's no arty/its a city map AND other team are poor AND your team are poor but not bad enough that they melt around you.

 

I've ground O-Ho and VK100.01P in the hope that they are novel enough that people don't know the weakpoints AND are daft enough to keep firing at the ufp/side. If that doesn't work, I'll try IS-7 (currently grinding T10).

 

KV4 sounds like a very good shout, but I don't think I could cope with grinding T150 and KV-3. Also, I imagine its trivial in Defender, but its not on sale/I don't want one.

 

 

 



OneSock #34 Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:12 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35390 battles
  • 1,708
  • [BBMM] BBMM
  • Member since:
    06-06-2011

You lot are obviously playing a different game to me.

 

KV4 and STI I know how to play both well. I've had this mission set for months now. I can tell you this is how it goes down.

 

KV4, majority of matches are tier 9/10 or full tier 8. Most of these guns can pen you, most of the players know where to shoot you and when. Side scrape and angle turret ? sure bounce a few shots, until they just load the gold, maybe you can get the 3x HP bounced, but you also need the 2000 damage, so at some point you have to turn your turret and shoot them at which point it's gold through your turret front.

 

STI, only a complete noob will shoot STI turret for 3x HP most players realise after about 2x HP and give up. and once you've exposed your hull, here comes the gold. You have to be fairly agressive with the STI, if you redline camp you probably wont get the 2000dmg.

 

Sure, you might get lucky with some nubs shooting AP from long range, hasn't happened to me yet.

 

IMO far more likely to get noobs in the lower tiers who don't know what to do and spam your turret. T29 is where I'm going for this one. rest is luck.



RandomBlank #35 Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:14 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 10346 battles
  • 703
  • Member since:
    08-12-2013
Best to have some clanmates help. Press "Battle" at the same second (synchronize over teamspeak). If a clanmate lands on enemy team, drive out to a secluded location, and have the clanmate keep shooting at the thickest armor.

OneSock #36 Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:16 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35390 battles
  • 1,708
  • [BBMM] BBMM
  • Member since:
    06-06-2011

View Postgeoff99, on 02 October 2017 - 02:09 PM, said:

I've tried with the T29 but the tank's been in the game so long that even tomatoes realise that there's no point firing AP at the turret after a while. People know about E75 lfp and cupola (and face of turret with gold) so that's a long shot. Yes, you could complete the mission if top tier, but only if there's no arty/its a city map AND other team are poor AND your team are poor but not bad enough that they melt around you.

 

I've ground O-Ho and VK100.01P in the hope that they are novel enough that people don't know the weakpoints AND are daft enough to keep firing at the ufp/side. If that doesn't work, I'll try IS-7 (currently grinding T10).

 

 

hmm bang goes that theory then... welp, have to grind down to the Type 5 then...



Cobra6 #37 Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Beta Tester
  • 16333 battles
  • 15,843
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    09-17-2010

View PostRandomBlank, on 02 October 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

Best to have some clanmates help. Press "Battle" at the same second (synchronize over teamspeak). If a clanmate lands on enemy team, drive out to a secluded location, and have the clanmate keep shooting at the thickest armor.

 

And get banned for mission rigging if I (or any other player with a brain) is on your or your enemies team.

 

Cobra 6



Slind #38 Posted 02 October 2017 - 03:23 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 52240 battles
  • 1,631
  • Member since:
    02-16-2011
O-I when you get to be top tier. There was a game where I bounced 31 shots with it, the low tier tanks just couldn't pen me.

Dr_Oolen #39 Posted 02 October 2017 - 03:41 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 22018 battles
  • 1,626
  • [IDEAL] IDEAL
  • Member since:
    03-13-2012

I did the mission in vk4502b, before it was "rebalanced", drove into middle of nothing on sand river near redline, let campers on dunes shoot me, done. These days id simply use chrysler/kv4/defender/oho/type4/maus/vk1001p/mauschen/type5 (did i miss some balanced heavy tonk?), wait until you get top tier game without arty on an open map. Drive into the open somewhere where you cant really get shot from too many directions and where you will get shot from 400+ meters, angle, get yourself spotted, profit.

 

Which is how i did all the bounce missions. Last time i did ht-15 for 260 like that, that game would have completed ht12 too and i even have a replay:

http://wotreplays.eu...-dr_oolen-maus 

As you can see this approach requires basically 0 skill and ability.

Also shows how retarded the mission design is, when the best way to get many missions is to play like a complete retard.



Coldspell #40 Posted 02 October 2017 - 03:41 PM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 19487 battles
  • 2,126
  • Member since:
    08-12-2013

View PostOneSock, on 02 October 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

 

hmm bang goes that theory then... welp, have to grind down to the Type 5 then...

I have the type 4 given the broken nature of the armour.....  About 95% of what gets fired at you is gold the remaining 5% is HE. It might block a decent amount but 3 times your hp is a stretch. 






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users