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Replacement for China "121" med tank?


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Hellfoxe #1 Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:31 AM

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Dear tankers 

 

I'm thinking why not replacing the chinese 121 med tank by the "jaguar" tank.

The Jaguar was a joint Chinese-US main battle tank project carried-out in the 1980s, with the intent of modernizing the Type 59 tank and its variants. From a political standpoint, such an undertaking would have been virtually unimaginable, if not for the Chinese-US "Detente" policy established in the 1970s. The objective of this policy was to better-stabilize the global balance of power, by enhancing China's status into a sort of a "buffer state" between the US and the USSR. Among other things, this involved the transfer of US military technology to China; the Jaguar was part of this legacy.

Development of the Jaguar began at some time in the mid-1980s, and was formally announced in late 1988. The two main contributors were Cadillac Gage in USA, and the China National Machinery & Equipment Import & Export Corporation in China. 

 

 

 

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Entered service -
Crew 4 men
Dimensions and weight
Weight 41.7 t
Length (gun forward) 9.6 m
Hull length ~ 6 m
Width 3.13 m
Height 2.62 m
Armament
Main gun 105-mm rifled
Machine guns 1 x 12.7-mm, 1 x 7.62-mm
Elevation range - 4 to + 17 degrees
Traverse range 360 degrees
Ammunition load
Main gun 34 rounds
Machine guns 600 x 12.7; 3 500 x 7.62
Mobility
Engine Detroit Diesel 8V-92TA diesel
Engine power 750 hp
Maximum road speed 55 km/h
Range 540 km
Maneuverability
Gradient 60%
Side slope 30%
Vertical step 0.8 m
Trench 2.7 m
Fording 1.4 m
Fording (with preparation) up to 4.5 m

 



Sfinski #2 Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:37 AM

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"Development of the Jaguar began at some time in the mid-1980s, and was formally announced in late 1988"

 

See no problem here?



Aikl #3 Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:48 AM

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Why would you want to replace it, exactly? 121 fits the 'Chinese gimmick' perfectly well (big gun). It might be a napkin drawing, but who exactly cares at this point? Might make sense as a reward tank or alternate T10, but we already have the 121B, which also has a certain 105mm rifled gun. Details on the Jaguar are lacking at best, especially in the armor department.

This website (http://www.military-...anks/jaguar.htm) claims that The exact qualities of the Jaguar's armor are classified, though it is easily much better-protected than most T-55 variants. 
That might mean some kind of composite armor - I really doubt that you could put that much more armor on a Type 59 chassis and keep decent mobility with "only" a 750hp engine. Composite armor, like ERA and smoothbore guns, is apparently considered the limits of WoT. Development year alone is probably not a 'hard limit', though I doubt there are many tanks developed in recent years which doesn't feature something that isn't WoT-compatible. Even e.g. the Swedish CV90 in LT versions uses smoothbore guns (105/120) - sadly.

 

Even if it was to be available as a reward tank of sorts, it would be little less than a Russian medium with NATO-looks. I don't think it's that interesting, sorry.


Edited by Aikl, 08 October 2017 - 09:50 AM.


HundeWurst #4 Posted 08 October 2017 - 10:07 AM

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Why would you want to replace the 121? I dont know how accurate it is, and there is a good chance it is entirely made up by the Chinese, but its a decent tank even a bit unique.




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