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RiflemanThick #1 Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:20 PM

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By looking to T-10 stats you will find that T-10 is better than WZ-111 1-4 in almost everything even with gun and armor.

My question is Why WZ-111 1-4 have worse gun handling than T-10 and why T-10 is better than WZ-111 1-4 in FirePower,Gunhandling,mobiility and armor?

What makes WZ-111 1-4 special and why it is underpowered compared to very smiliar tank T-10?

There should be something speical in both tanks but T-10 has everything better than WZ-111 1-4

Let me know your opnion

 



brumbarr #2 Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:22 PM

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Wz has better alpha, ans the t10 isnt really faster, and the rest of the tank the t10 is barely different.

SirTogII #3 Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:47 PM

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Because the T10 is Russian and they couldn't have a Chinese tank being better so they buffed the T10

vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:03 PM

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The difference is the boom-stick with 490 alpha,

also T-10 is not even close to be called well armored, it's game-style is to use your mobility, not armor.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 09 October 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

Wz has better alpha, ans the t10 isnt really faster, and the rest of the tank the t10 is barely different.

 

 

The T-10 has better aimtime, turret bloom and final acc. While it seems like not a lot on paper it adds up and you hit more of your shots in the t-10

 



RiflemanThick #6 Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 09 October 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

The difference is the boom-stick with 490 alpha,

also T-10 is not even close to be called well armored, it's game-style is to use your mobility, not armor.

 

I know it doesn't have a great armor but it's armor especially turret that have smaller weak spots and more armor is a lot better than WZ-111 1-4.

View Postbrumbarr, on 09 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Wz has better alpha, ans the t10 isnt really faster, and the rest of the tank the t10 is barely different.

 

Alpha damage is useless since it can't really use it with the 2.8 AIM time, 0.38 dispersion. about fast: T-10 is faster compared to WZ-111 1-4.

 


Edited by RiflemanThick, 09 October 2017 - 02:47 PM.


K_A #7 Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:54 PM

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Vbaddict's statistics shows WZ 111111111-4's winrate at 53.3%, a full point and a half higher than the second best tier 9 heavy, Mauchen at 51.7%. The T-10 on the other hand, 4th lowest at a nifty 47.9%, above only the E-75, AMX 50 120 and M103.

 

EDIT I know vbaddict doesn't have global winrates, it can only track battles that have been uploaded to it's database, but both WZ and T-10 have over 200,000 battles database behind them and I mean nearly 6% difference is way too much to be "just a fluke".


Edited by K_A, 09 October 2017 - 02:55 PM.


RiflemanThick #8 Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:11 PM

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View PostK_A, on 09 October 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Vbaddict's statistics shows WZ 111111111-4's winrate at 53.3%, a full point and a half higher than the second best tier 9 heavy, Mauchen at 51.7%. The T-10 on the other hand, 4th lowest at a nifty 47.9%, above only the E-75, AMX 50 120 and M103.

 

EDIT I know vbaddict doesn't have global winrates, it can only track battles that have been uploaded to it's database, but both WZ and T-10 have over 200,000 battles database behind them and I mean nearly 6% difference is way too much to be "just a fluke".

If WG will buff and nerf every tank according to Vbaddict then the game will just DIE so let's just stick with the stats.



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What an interesting topic. He asked a question, then he just don't want to or can't listen to anyone. 

 

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Alpha damage is useless since it can't really use it with the 2.8 AIM time, 0.38 dispersion.

 

Trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

 

 



K_A #10 Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:22 PM

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"Let me know your opinion."

 

*tells opinion*

 

"You opinion is stupid, let's just stick to mine."



Igor_BL #11 Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:28 PM

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This is the man that claimed WZ 5A is going to be useless because of is7 buff, and that is7 is better tank in every single way.


So, yes... another clueless ignorant  which this forum has to endure.

KillingJoker #12 Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:38 PM

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Never played the WZ 111 1-4, but i absolutly love the T10. 

 

i assume the WZ 111 1-4 is kind of similar, perhaps a bit more slower and with a 490 alpha damage gun, that is very handy most of the time.

i also think by looking at the frontal hull armor of the both tanks, the WZ have a better hull armor, since you can get more bounces. 

 

its certainly a very fun to play, but its required the player some knoledge in how to use the armor and positioning due to lack of gun dression. 

 

the WZ 111 1-5 is faster than the IS-7, despite tanks.gg says IS-7 gets a better engine and better horsepower per tone, in practice i notice in every battle i enter with my IS-7

unless downhill, the WZ is allways faster. 



brumbarr #13 Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:44 PM

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View PostRiflemanThick, on 09 October 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

I know it doesn't have a great armor but it's armor especially turret that have smaller weak spots and more armor is a lot better than WZ-111 1-4.

 

Alpha damage is useless since it can't really use it with the 2.8 AIM time, 0.38 dispersion. about fast: T-10 is faster compared to WZ-111 1-4.

 

 

and the T10 has 2.7s aimtime, how is that any better?   and alpha dmg IS very usefull. It might be faster but barely, the wz has like 10% worse p/wt but also 10% better terrain resistance,so it evens out.

RiflemanThick #14 Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:17 PM

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View PostIgor_BL, on 09 October 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

This is the man that claimed WZ 5A is going to be useless because of is7 buff, and that is7 is better tank in every single way.


So, yes... another clueless ignorant  which this forum has to endure.

 

Whatever I wanna I just do it :P

View Postbrumbarr, on 09 October 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

 

and the T10 has 2.7s aimtime, how is that any better?   and alpha dmg IS very usefull. It might be faster but barely, the wz has like 10% worse p/wt but also 10% better terrain resistance,so it evens out.

 

It have 258 pen which makes up for the aimtime but 1-4 doesn't.

 

I wonder why T-10 has a better turret..

btw.. I'm not going to grind to WZ-111 1-4 but I just wanna know why T-10 is better than 1-4 in %80 in stats but it looks like WG is going to replace T-10 with better tank in future anyway and 1-4 is left behind as worst tier 9 heavy tank ingame.



Igor_BL #15 Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:24 PM

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Ofc you can. because you have no idea about the game, so you troll here. because mods allow that.

Edited by Igor_BL, 09 October 2017 - 04:25 PM.


brumbarr #16 Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:25 PM

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View PostRiflemanThick, on 09 October 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

It have 258 pen which makes up for the aimtime but 1-4 doesn't.

 

I wonder why T-10 has a better turret..

btw.. I'm not going to grind to WZ-111 1-4 but I just wanna know why T-10 is better than 1-4 in %80 in stats but it looks like WG is going to replace T-10 with better tank in future anyway and 1-4 is left behind as worst tier 9 heavy tank ingame.

WZ has 250 pen, doesnt matter at all.

The WZ is a bettter tank or equal to the T10.  

Saying the WZ is the worst heavy makes you a complete retard.



sokolicc #17 Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:48 PM

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WZ 111 1-4 is, to some players, better than T-10. Even in tournaments people were using 2 WZ 111 1-4, i didn't saw T-10 in those battles.
It has bigger alpha damage, i think that is all about it. It trades better.
T-10 needs to fire more, therefore, expose it's weak hull to enemies more.
And i think WZ don't have weak turret roof like T-10... Correct me someone if i am wrong.

And... Important thing. WZ can carry 40 shells while T-10 is limited to 30. That can be annoying when you need to fire premium shells when you don't need them because you run out of standard ammo.

Edited by sokolicc, 09 October 2017 - 04:51 PM.


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View PostKillingJoker, on 09 October 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

Never played the WZ 111 1-4, but i absolutly love the T10. 

 

i assume the WZ 111 1-4 is kind of similar, perhaps a bit more slower and with a 490 alpha damage gun, that is very handy most of the time.

i also think by looking at the frontal hull armor of the both tanks, the WZ have a better hull armor, since you can get more bounces. 

 

its certainly a very fun to play, but its required the player some knoledge in how to use the armor and positioning due to lack of gun dression. 

 

the WZ 111 1-5 is faster than the IS-7, despite tanks.gg says IS-7 gets a better engine and better horsepower per tone, in practice i notice in every battle i enter with my IS-7

unless downhill, the WZ is allways faster. 

on both tanks hull armor is the same 120/120/60 the diference is that t 10 can protect his lower plate by stayng in slide .... wz  will be shooted whit every single tank  from tier 7-8-9-10 in hull bcs his armor on wz is verry bad placed... u protect your lower plate u expoze uper plate bcs his design... same as wz 111- 5 A ... u wont bounce any shoot in the hull and if u play on the turet bcs have 300 armor.. u will be shooted in commander .... and have 2 places....






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