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Nightmare1511 #1 Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:27 PM

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Ill try it in the english thread. Because in the german forum, the only thing you get is bad mouthing and admins closing your thread. (thanks WG germany)

 

Its a pain in the *** to play a HT and try to block some shots for your team and then getting spammed gold ammo from EVRYWHERE!

 

There is almost no one left trying to use tactics with their tank. Most of the time you see MT standing in front of HT and spamming gold, because they "cant penetrate" them. They dont know how to flank and use their brains.

 

No wonder when you got Ammo that pens even a Maus in the angled front...

 

I played the game back in the days where Gold ammo had to be bought with Gold. Its pay to win yes. But almost no one used it. Great days ...



shishx_the_animal #2 Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:32 PM

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Ah the good old days where you met Tier 6 tanks in your Maus...

Celution #3 Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:35 PM

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View Postshishx_the_animal, on 10 October 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Ah the good old days where you met Tier 6 tanks in your Maus...

 

..Or in tier 5 platoon, when platoons had +1 MM spread on the already +4/-4.

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View PostNightmare1511, on 10 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

Ill try it in the english thread. Because in the german forum, the only thing you get is bad mouthing and admins closing your thread. (thanks WG germany)

 

If you think here it's gonna be different, I think you are a bit naive...

good luck anyway 



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View PostNightmare1511, on 10 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

Ill try it in the english thread. Because in the german forum, the only thing you get is bad mouthing and admins closing your thread. (thanks WG germany)

 

 

I always knew Germans were reasonable people



jack_timber #6 Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:46 PM

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T8 vT10.... Hmm can't pen with AP so just dab on 2 key for a couple of shots, works a treat.:)

Balc0ra #7 Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:56 PM

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And I suspect you got a 60% + WR in the Excelsior using the 91 pen AP gun vs O-I's right? And you do what when you face a super heavy when you lack AP pen? Just stand there and take it? 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 October 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

And I suspect you got a 60% + WR in the Excelsior using the 91 pen AP gun vs O-I's right? And you do what when you face a super heavy when you lack AP pen? Just stand there and take it? 

 

Of course he takes it! Why would you want to pen an enemy tank in the first place if you're a lower Tier?!

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View Postshishx_the_animal, on 10 October 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

 

Of course he takes it! Why would you want to pen an enemy tank in the first place if you're a lower Tier?!

 

Because HE PLAYS FOR FUN NOT FOR STATS so he doesn't need to pen stuff. Also if he can't pen he flanks in his excelcior obviously

Aikl #10 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:20 PM

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View PostCelution, on 10 October 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

..Or in tier 5 platoon, when platoons had +1 MM spread on the already +4/-4.

 

Didn't know this. Reminiscent of how platoons has been treated by the MM post-9.18 (though at the moment it seems kind of fair, even platoons can be top-tier).

K_A #11 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:27 PM

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If we actually had maps where it was even possible to actually flank enemies it would probably be done more.. :sceptic:  But as it stands you basically have between 2-3 corridors and trying to switch between them (you know, do a flanking maneuver) from anywhere except redlining though either base is suicide because you'll be completely open to crossfire from multiple positions. So you're often forced to fight enemies head on with very little possibilities to properly hit their flanks.

Cobra6 #12 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

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Well, this issue is in fact two issues:

 

- Premium ammo needs to be completely removed from the game

 

*BUT*

 

- At the exact same time all armour should have weakspots added which are viable for same tier standard AP(CR) ammo when the target tank is played badly (not angling/sidescraping/hull down)

 

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Some added notes:

- It is impossible to balance armour for 260 standard pen and 330 premium pen at the same time, it's simply not possible to do this properly. That is why premium ammo simply has to go.

- To make said armour viable for same tier standard ammo, the flat armour value should not exceed a low-roll (-10%) penetration value. (-25% is too much). So on tier 10 this means that a weakspot should have a maximum of 234 armour flat (for a 260 average pen value). So no 260mm "weakspots" anymore like on the Type5.

- Smaller weakspots can be added which are "always pen" even if the tank is played succesfully, but they have to be harder to hit.

- Tanks can have a strong turret like the T32 for instance but it has to be balanced in other departments (weak hull, bad penetration) to balance a strongpoint out.

- Super heavies which are designed to angle to be effective should *NOT* be effective when not angled, never ever.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 10 October 2017 - 02:46 PM.


Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #13 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

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Maybe you can try the French forum. They might be more kind.

arthurwellsley #14 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:41 PM

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View PostNightmare1511, on 10 October 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Ill try it in the english thread. Because in the german forum, the only thing you get is bad mouthing and admins closing your thread. (thanks WG germany)

 

Its a pain in the *** to play a HT and try to block some shots for your team and then getting spammed gold ammo from EVRYWHERE!

 

There is almost no one left trying to use tactics with their tank. Most of the time you see MT standing in front of HT and spamming gold, because they "cant penetrate" them. They dont know how to flank and use their brains.

 

No wonder when you got Ammo that pens even a Maus in the angled front...

 

I played the game back in the days where Gold ammo had to be bought with Gold. Its pay to win yes. But almost no one used it. Great days ...

 

NO

Please insert appropriate bad mouthing here to your taste reader. As a hint you may wish to refer to the OP's family, taste in music or clothes, lack of intellect, inability to play World of Tanks, failure to think matters through or offer alternatives, his place of abode (yes you may refer to the cellar of his parents house) or sexual proclivities.

 

OP did you ever stop, and wonder why World of Tanks has been so successful over the years since 2011? Did you ever consider that all the people employed there and paid salaries might actually analyse figures and statistics before making changes to their very popular game? No thought not.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 10 October 2017 - 02:42 PM.


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View PostNightmare1511, on 10 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

Ill try it in the english thread. Because in the german forum, the only thing you get is bad mouthing and admins closing your thread. (thanks WG germany)

 

Its a pain in the *** to play a HT and try to block some shots for your team and then getting spammed gold ammo from EVRYWHERE!

 

There is almost no one left trying to use tactics with their tank. Most of the time you see MT standing in front of HT and spamming gold, because they "cant penetrate" them. They dont know how to flank and use their brains.

 

No wonder when you got Ammo that pens even a Maus in the angled front...

 

I played the game back in the days where Gold ammo had to be bought with Gold. Its pay to win yes. But almost no one used it. Great days ...

 

play only tier 5, less goldammo. but yes, t8 is not playable anymore, all t10 and t9 players shooting premium ammo.



UrQuan #16 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

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View PostNightmare1511, on 10 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

No wonder when you got Ammo that pens even a Maus in the angled front...

 

 

I felt the need to comment on this. And because a picture says more then words:

 

Maus getting a Golden shower

 

Maus is just ridiculous atm. What gets me killed usually is not player skill. It's my overconfidence in it. But can you blame me if you can pull off stunts like above?

Does prem ammo make it harder for armored tanks? Yes. But skill matters alot more. but people refuse to understand that, so we end up with tanks like Maus & VK 100 that can bounce off premium ammo quite well. And yet, it still isn't enough, people want even more. But they forget one thing. If their tank can't be penned, then they cannot pen the one on the enemy side either!

A good armor design makes a tank more resistant to damage, without it being immune to same-tier guns, by usage of armor layout & weakspots designs.


Edited by UrQuan, 10 October 2017 - 02:48 PM.


redgismo #17 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

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Don't remove gold ammo entirely, just make it applicable for Clan Wars, Strongholds, Team Battles (ranked and unranked) and Ranked Battles mode. And then either limit it in Randoms or remove it from randoms.

 

Would solve alot of the issues I think.



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View PostCobra6, on 10 October 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

Well, this issue is in fact two issues:

 

- Premium ammo needs to be completely removed from the game

 

 

 

Cobra 6

 

OR

3-5-7 template

 

t10 - 3 premium ammo

t9 (top gun) - 5 premium ammo

t8 (top gun) - 8-10 premium ammo

 

and if you buy premium time u get:

new maps

new tanks

new special missions

new gamestyles

and more

 

 


Edited by Vanezza, 10 October 2017 - 02:53 PM.


Lord_Edge #19 Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:53 PM

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Simple solution: Gold ammo has reduced damage relative to the increased pen.

 

That way people are motivated to use it only when their target cannot be penetrated with regular rounds and aiming.



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View PostVanezza, on 10 October 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

 

OR

3-5-7 template

 

t10 - 3 premium ammo

t9 (top gun) - 5 premium ammo

t8 (top gun) - 8-10 premium ammo

 

and if you buy premium time u get:

new maps

new tanks

new special missions

new gamestyles

and more

 

 

 

Then what happens when you get to a 3-5-7 tier 8-7-6 game? Your precious gold shells are locked so you have diminished ammo count on your tier 8 because you loaded 10 prem ammo on it? I don't think you though this one out through..




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