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gav00 #1 Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:20 PM

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It's not fun for 'regular' tankers or even for the arty themselves, yet almost every battle I go into has 3 arty per team.

 

I thought the "new" matchmaker was supposed to mix things up a bit?



Maki711 #2 Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:25 PM

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I agree. I hoped they will make it 2 per team...

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One is enough.

Homer_J #4 Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:28 PM

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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

 even for the arty themselves,

 

I assure you it is.

 

Although, I would be in favour of removing the cap.  That way you would get some no arty battles and I would get some with ten on each team. :B



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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

It's not fun for 'regular' tankers or even for the arty themselves, yet almost every battle I go into has 3 arty per team.

 

I thought the "new" matchmaker was supposed to mix things up a bit?

 

Is this a MM complaint, or an SPG one?

 

Both have their own pinned threads for you to use.

 

FWIW I play SPGs (although not for a few months), and I play against SPGs. I don't find a problem with either, both ways give good games.



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View PostHeidenSieker, on 11 October 2017 - 09:29 PM, said:

 

Is this a MM complaint, or an SPG one?

 

Both have their own pinned threads for you to use.

 

FWIW I play SPGs (although not for a few months), and I play against SPGs. I don't find a problem with either, both ways give good games.

 

It counts as both and I care not, someone can move it if they are really that offended by the placement of the thread.

 

What I find is the more SPGs on a team, the harder it is to find a decent place to park up, also the higher chance of being coming under counter-battery fire, there are obviously fewer tanks up front spotting targets.

Also the more arty on your team means the faster the team will fold once on the back foot.

If the map is a city map then things get even more desperate.



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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

Also the more arty on your team means the faster the team will fold once on the back foot.

 

Sorry, that's silly. I cannot remember when I last played a game where one team had more SPGs than the other.

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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

 

What I find is the more SPGs on a team, the harder it is to find a decent place to park up, also the higher chance of being coming under counter-battery fire, there are obviously fewer tanks up front spotting targets.

 

But scouts and arty are mirrored so if there's a lack of spotters on your team then there's a lack of spotters on the other team too.

 

That was what was so great about having 12 arty on each side.  Nobody to spot you.



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View PostHeidenSieker, on 11 October 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

Sorry, that's silly. I cannot remember when I last played a game where one team had more SPGs than the other.

 

I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. Perhaps I worded it badly.

 

What i mean is games with high artillery counts usually turn and end quicker than those with fewer. I know both teams have an equal amount.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 11 October 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

But scouts and arty are mirrored so if there's a lack of spotters on your team then there's a lack of spotters on the other team too.

 

That was what was so great about having 12 arty on each side.  Nobody to spot you.

 

You may be the only person to ever use the word "Great" in that context.
 

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View PostHeidenSieker, on 11 October 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

Sorry, that's silly. I cannot remember when I last played a game where one team had more SPGs than the other.

 

Well i had games where there was 1 arty difference and iirc even 1 arty vs no arty.

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 11 October 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

Well i had games where there was 1 arty difference and iirc even 1 arty vs no arty.

 

Extraordinary. When. Replay?

gav00 #12 Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:00 PM

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Im guessing that was before the "new" MM, as it won't allow it any more

Enforcer1975 #13 Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:32 PM

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View PostHeidenSieker, on 11 October 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

Extraordinary. When. Replay?

 

You know how many hundred games i played since then? Can't even find the good ones anymore because i can't remember thanks to the many mind bending games in between.... :arta:

Next time i'll upload it directly and send you the link.


Edited by Enforcer1975, 11 October 2017 - 10:34 PM.


Homer_J #14 Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:20 PM

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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

 

You may be the only person to ever use the word "Great" in that context.

I'm guessing you missed those great days.

 

View PostHeidenSieker, on 11 October 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

Extraordinary. When. Replay?

I'm sure googling arty not balanced wot will get you plenty of screenshots.

 

They used to balance them by mm weight within a certain percentage so you could often get one high tier arty on one team balanced against two low tier arty.  Not forgetting that tier 5 to 8 arty all got in the same battle tier.



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View PostHomer_J, on 11 October 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

They used to balance them by mm weight within a certain percentage so you could often get one high tier arty on one team balanced against two low tier arty.  Not forgetting that tier 5 to 8 arty all got in the same battle tier.

 

Exactly.


Edited by HeidenSieker, 11 October 2017 - 11:28 PM.


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It still is possible to have one less arty in a team, very rare but I had it happen recently.

 

On topic: yes, 3 arties is silly.

But it's a silly game, so all is fine :teethhappy:



Derethim #17 Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:47 PM

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I'm pro 2 arty per match. I'm tired of sharing that damage :P

_Anarchistic_ #18 Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:41 AM

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everybody knows this

 

war gaming knows this

 

so they buffed arty



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View Postgav00, on 11 October 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

It's not fun for 'regular' tankers or even for the arty themselves, yet almost every battle I go into has 3 arty per team.

 

I find it fun, does that mean I am not a regular tanker, or that I am not an arty?

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 11 October 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

 

You know how many hundred games i played since then? Can't even find the good ones anymore because i can't remember thanks to the many mind bending games in between.... :arta:

Next time i'll upload it directly and send you the link.

 

I’ve seen a couple of screenshots on the forum showing this so I presume it’s just the MM having a bit of flexibility when it’s having problems creating a match. I think I’ve even had a game where the tier numbers were 3/4/8 for example.




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