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LEOPARD 1 IS WEAK (BUFF REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY)

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SplittingVoid #201 Posted 07 May 2019 - 11:18 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 07 May 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Play another medium if you want a medium with armour, seems stupid to ask for the Leo to have more armour when other tanks already do that. 

 

 

 

"when already other tanks do that"....

 

??

 

My question is..why? 

 

Leopard 1A1 was fitted with a new gun stabilization system allowing to fire effectively on the move. It was also fitted with side skirts, new thermal sleeve on the gun barrel and some other minor improvements.

Leopard 1A2 had better turret armor protection, improved NBC protection system and new night vision equipment.

Leopard 1A3 had new welded turret with composite armor and wedge-shaped gun mantlet.

 

We have the m4a1 patton remodeled to the A5...

 

Why not do the same here? New armour fits and improved gun stabs will set the tank fine. 



crnakoza #202 Posted 07 May 2019 - 11:24 AM

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I saw the title and it immediately reminded me of this:


Edited by crnakoza, 07 May 2019 - 11:25 AM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #203 Posted 07 May 2019 - 11:24 AM

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What's funny about this is you got the exact same answers to your idea in the 1st page of this thread more than a year and half ago.

 

Move along Herr Void, you could've got all the tier 10 mediums in that time only to play the buffed leo in the next patch!!!



tajj7 #204 Posted 07 May 2019 - 01:58 PM

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View PostSplittingVoid, on 07 May 2019 - 10:18 AM, said:

 

"when already other tanks do that"....

 

??

 

My question is..why? 

 

Leopard 1A1 was fitted with a new gun stabilization system allowing to fire effectively on the move. It was also fitted with side skirts, new thermal sleeve on the gun barrel and some other minor improvements.

Leopard 1A2 had better turret armor protection, improved NBC protection system and new night vision equipment.

Leopard 1A3 had new welded turret with composite armor and wedge-shaped gun mantlet.

 

We have the m4a1 patton remodeled to the A5...

 

Why not do the same here? New armour fits and improved gun stabs will set the tank fine. 

 

Because it doesn't need it and we already have tanks that fulfil that role.  Tier 10 meds, especially NATO ones are already very similar. 

 

The tank was designed with very little armour, that was its whole design principle, mobile with a good gun.  That is the role it has in game, and that is what the proposed buffs are trying to improve on, which is the right way to do it, it becomes pointless if it is just another armoured turret hull down med with a 105mm, it either is not as good as those other tanks so is pointless or it is better than them and power creeps them. 

 

Leaving it in its original low armour state and balancing it around its gun and mobility, lets it be different on tier 10 and offer a different playstyle to your Patton's and Cent AX's etc. It just needs to be made more clearly better at what it does well now, which is what the proposed changes are about. 

 

Not even mentioning that the A2 model is from like the late 1970s as well, so is basically venturing into 2nd gen MBT territory. 

 

 



SplittingVoid #205 Posted 07 May 2019 - 02:10 PM

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If that's the case the A5 patton is also from the mid 1970's as well. So how does that stack up here? Also, I do understand the notion of a different playstyle in the leopard 1. But really, Being mobile and sniping is what any medium tank can do. The leopard 1 isn't particularly unique in that regard and simply buffing soft stats wont make it "unique" imo...

Edited by SplittingVoid, 07 May 2019 - 03:04 PM.


Room418 #206 Posted 07 May 2019 - 04:25 PM

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I wouldnt consider Leopard 1 a bad tank, because it has good spotting, really precise gun ( 0.28 dispersion ), and top speed of 65km/h. Ofcourse, its armor is more like a paper, but other stats for this tank are really good for T10 MT. Russian meds are heavier, but they see less, worse gun depression.

 

Just take a look at this picture and please, rethink again. Leopard 1 is pretty good tank comparing with others. 

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SplittingVoid #207 Posted 07 May 2019 - 04:41 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 07 May 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

I wouldnt consider Leopard 1 a bad tank, because it has good spotting, really precise gun ( 0.28 dispersion ), and top speed of 65km/h. Ofcourse, its armor is more like a paper, but other stats for this tank are really good for T10 MT. Russian meds are heavier, but they see less, worse gun depression.

 

Just take a look at this picture and please, rethink again. Leopard 1 is pretty good tank comparing with others. 

 

I get where you're coming from bro...but really rather than paper stats,  performance wise other meds (except 121) do better....WAY better. 

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View PostRoom418, on 07 May 2019 - 04:25 PM, said:

I wouldnt consider Leopard 1 a bad tank, because it has good spotting, really precise gun ( 0.28 dispersion ), and top speed of 65km/h. Ofcourse, its armor is more like a paper, but other stats for this tank are really good for T10 MT. Russian meds are heavier, but they see less, worse gun depression.

 

Just take a look at this picture and please, rethink again. Leopard 1 is pretty good tank comparing with others. 

 

while bunch players are doing pretty good in leopard 1 it isnt the best of tanks, for majority it is underperforming

 

while dispersion and aim time is fairly good it suffers from potato bloom, which is the main downside i would say



Strizi #209 Posted 07 May 2019 - 04:47 PM

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I dont get the double standards of some people. 70s Turrets for some tanks or whole tanks from 70s like stb1 are ok but then for leopard 1 they dont want an upgrade despite its trash global winrate? :sceptic::harp:

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SplittingVoid #210 Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:25 PM

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Looks like the new public test is out on RU...will come out soon on EU...and the patchnotes have indeed confirmed the reduced mobility in terms of reverse speed from 23 to 20 and reduced traverse from 54 to 48 deg/s if im not mistaken. And the base reload has also increased further from 8.7 to 9.3s (Main server reload is 8.34s). So 10 percent off using rammer 8.37, and additional 2 percent using BOA  gives a final of 8.2s of reload. 

 

I'm not liking the sound of this :(. It will be even harder to get out of tough situations..like REAL hard..especially when low rolls are very common and the tank feels like a slug on bad terrain. Perhaps the higher standard pen might increase the chances of a high roll to balance things out? I dunno...sigh.

 

The decrease in HP was absolutely not necessary with FV guns around...chances of getting one shot are more likely. Especially when it's the FV on your own team who take's a dump at you for camping. (Happened to me very recently and the frequency of friendly fire is ever on the rise when you're in a paper tank) 

 

The HEP is nice tho..

 

But in all honesty I think the tank will still under-perform. I guess the moment of truth comes with testing things out on the server on release. ...sigh


Edited by SplittingVoid, 16 May 2019 - 07:38 PM.





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