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Zetika #1 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:00 PM

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I wouldnt call myself good in the tank, heck i wouldnt call myself medium or pro at all infact. I mainly bhought it at full price when it was avaible some time ago when my brother said it was a good tank..

 

But oh god i was wrong. The tank is really good, the penetration is avarage (175 AP) but that doesnt really stop me, what does is 90% of the people i encounter blasts gold at me and it just slides right through..

 

Is this how this game is supposed to be? Ive heard of people complaining about this some time now, but with the 112 i encounter gold spammers about 9/10 times when i take it out for a spin, it just really annoys me when all i want to do is make some easy credits. But instead i get rolled over by gold or even my team for all that matters.

 

So, is it just me having a hard time getting through tier 8 or is this just normal? I used to rush with most of my tankses, but lately its been better just to either camp or side-scrape with it.

 

I'd like to know others opinion on this tank or if ive just played it entirely wrong all this time and this post is useless.



somegras #2 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:12 PM

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I don't necessarily have the issue myself, as long as you can hide the lower plate a bit or engage stuff that can definitely not pen you. Don't over-rely on the armour, it is good, but you still need to work to its strengths.

 

 

It's funny cause I usually have the opposite problem. The armour works fine, but the gun is just so potato, I am the one that ends up spamming gold. :D



xx984 #3 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:16 PM

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Its good, Not OP. Its basically just a Chinese IS-6 but better. It has decent armour, And good premium penetration which the IS-6 does not. However i still feel its far from OP

Search_Warrant #4 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:17 PM

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View Postsomegras, on 12 October 2017 - 10:12 PM, said:

I don't necessarily have the issue myself, as long as you can hide the lower plate a bit or engage stuff that can definitely not pen you. Don't over-rely on the armour, it is good, but you still need to work to its strengths.

 

 

It's funny cause I usually have the opposite problem. The armour works fine, but the gun is just so potato, I am the one that ends up spamming gold. :D

 

true this.. i see the lineup and be like "sigh..k...time to press 2 coz they got heavies i cant pen with 175...." or maybe i should spam AP at that VKP Cupola :trollface:

 

Chinese IS-6 but better? wot-news states its performing worse than IS-6? hmmmm


Edited by Search_Warrant, 12 October 2017 - 11:19 PM.


xx984 #5 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:18 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 12 October 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

 

true this.. i see the lineup and be like "sigh..k...time to press 2 coz they got heavies i cant pen with 175...." or maybe i should spam AP at that VKP Cupola :trollface:

 

Or instead you could shoot the elevated part of the turret roof and overmatch :hiding:

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View Postxx984, on 12 October 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:

Its good, Not OP. Its basically just a Chinese IS-6 but better. It has decent armour, And good premium penetration which the IS-6 does not. However i still feel its far from OP

 

It was pretty OP when it just got buffed though. Memes were had in that week. :trollface:

Search_Warrant #7 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:28 PM

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View Postxx984, on 12 October 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

 

Or instead you could shoot the elevated part of the turret roof and overmatch :hiding:

 

That requires a gun that doesent aim for 5 whole seconds.

xx984 #8 Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:59 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 12 October 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

 

That requires a gun that doesent aim for 5 whole seconds.

 

I wasn't actually being serious, Hence the ":hiding:"

JocMeister #9 Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:34 AM

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It was very good at one point. New MM killed it though as it did all pref MM tanks. 

 

Keeping mine though as well as the IS6 in the vain hope WG will actually fix it before I die of old age. 



tumppi776 #10 Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:38 AM

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Defender is OP. 112 is at least easy to pen - so it dies. 112 doesnt shoot you for 440.



dennez #11 Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:35 AM

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It was great for awhile when it got buffed.. Now its obsolete like the other SMM t8 prems in the new MM. You’re pretty much forced to shoot full (crappy) HEAT and the armor just doesnt cut it against t9 heavies.

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Btw TS. If you want to check if something is OPed compare your performance in the tank against how you do in other tanks of the same tier and type.

 

In your case your performance in the 112 is pretty much bang on with the other tier 8 HTs which is a good indication its not OPed.



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View Postxx984, on 12 October 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:

Its good, Not OP. Its basically just a Chinese IS-6 but better. It has decent armour, And good premium penetration which the IS-6 does not. However i still feel its far from OP

This basically 



dennez #14 Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:17 AM

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View Postxx984, on 12 October 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:

 good premium penetration which the IS-6 does not.

 

It has 250 HEAT pen on a very derpy gun, while the IS-6 has 217 APCR as premmo. 217 APCR >>>>>>>> 250 HEAT



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No, because that gun low penetration for tier 8 with bad gun handling makes it harder to play, but the hull armor is amazing for tier 8, and its turret is just as good as the tier 9 WZ 111-4

 

Stil, i do like the 112, i do like the derpiness of that gun, and the heat rounds are more than capable of penetrating any tier 9 since thats the on,y thing you will see

due to preferencial mm.. 

 

if the 112 had the same gun of the defender, between the 2, i would say the 112, would be better because i hate pike noses since they cant sidescrape

 

 

 

View Posttumppi776, on 13 October 2017 - 05:38 AM, said:

Defender is OP. 112 is at least easy to pen - so it dies. 112 doesnt shoot you for 440.

 

One of the things i love about on that russian 122mm gun is that very often you get high rolls with
 

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View Postdennez, on 13 October 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

 

It has 250 HEAT pen on a very derpy gun, while the IS-6 has 217 APCR as premmo. 217 APCR >>>>>>>> 250 HEAT

 

is 6 gun isnt less derpy at least  250mm of pen. might go through vk b or similar  lower hulls/weakspots for example while even with 217 pen you can just pray to hit the copula

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View PostPhobos4321, on 13 October 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

 

is 6 gun isnt less derpy at least  250mm of pen. might go through vk b or similar  lower hulls/weakspots for example while even with 217 pen you can just pray to hit the copula

 

Its isnt less derpy, but derpy guns and HEAT dont work too well imho. You need to hit flat parts rather precisely and precisely and the Chinese 122mm dont really get along. APCR doesnt have that issue as it's less prone to get "eaten" by the armor

 


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View PostPhobos4321, on 13 October 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

is 6 gun isnt less derpy at least  250mm of pen. might go through vk b or similar  lower hulls/weakspots for example while even with 217 pen you can just pray to hit the copula

 

Indeed, the main difference is that the ACPR and HEAT will both track a target if they hit them in the tracks, but the 112's HEAT will also damage them if it hit's them in the hull whereas the IS-6's APCR usually bounces off tier 8/9 targets.  Both tanks are beasts when top tier and XP pinatas when not, however the 112 has the advantage in actually being able to damage more of the HT's it meets.


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It definitely was OP when it got buffed and probably will be again when the fix tier 8 MM.

 

At best angle, aside the cupolas you need over 240 pen to go through it and unlike the WZ or IS6, angling just makes it stronger.  It means it's a limited MM tank that can sit in the open angled and be about as immune to most tier 8 and below guns as the Defender or VK. 

 

it just has a less powerful gun than those two. This is it against the Patriots 230 pen APCR round, which pretty high standard pen for a tier 8 -

 

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Sub 225 pen guns have little chance of penning it frontally unless they can hit the cupola, if it starts seeing more 8 and below games then it'll be OP. 



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View Posttajj7, on 13 October 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

It definitely was OP when it got buffed and probably will be again when the fix tier 8 MM.

 

At best angle, aside the cupolas you need over 240 pen to go through it and unlike the WZ or IS6, angling just makes it stronger.  It means it's a limited MM tank that can sit in the open angled and be about as immune to most tier 8 and below guns as the Defender or VK. 

 

it just has a less powerful gun than those two. This is it against the Patriots 230 pen APCR round, which pretty high standard pen for a tier 8 -

 

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Sub 225 pen guns have little chance of penning it frontally unless they can hit the cupola, if it starts seeing more 8 and below games then it'll be OP. 

 

This.. It was a monster just after the buff in the "old" MM where you would regularly be top tier vs a shitton of tier 6-7's that would be utterly helpless against you.

The cupola's are semi-easily penned, making it not as invincible when statically hulldown, which is ok.







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