Jump to content


Forgotten tanks that need some love.

power creep

  • Please log in to reply
75 replies to this topic

tajj7 #1 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 25443 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

With all the buffs, rebalances, tech tree changes going on, there seem to be a lot of tanks that WG basically forgot exist.

 

Ok some of these might be deliberate 'free XP' sinks but some of these are premium and reward tanks as well so serve little purpose -

 

Here is a few off the top of my head and some suggested changes to buff these tanks -

 

AMX CDC 

 

Probably now counts as one of the older premiums, it's completely paper, with poor gun handling for such a paper tank and should have amazing mobility as it has 35 hp/ton but WG have crippled that with terrible ground resistances. Rivals like the STA-2, M4 Rev, Patton KR etc. have had recent buffs to gun handling, penetration etc. which leave the CDC with basically nothing worthwhile over other tier 8 premium meds. 

 

What to do with it? 

 

  • Massive ground resistance buff - currently it's 1.44/1.63/2,88, change this to 1.0/1.25/2.0 so it actually benefits from that hp/ton, we now have lights with 35 - 45 hp/ton, so why can't the CDC have this? It is much bigger than lights, doesn't have the camo of lights but still has their paper armour so it would be a uniquely fast tier 8 med. 
  • Gun handling buff - any paper tank with low alpha needs to be able to snap and limit it's exposure, the CDC almost has worse gun handling than an IS3 because of that dispersion. Change the dispersion from 0.19/0.19/0.15 to 0.15/0.15/0.06. 
  • Accuracy buff - currently this tank has 0.33 dispersion which is decent but nothing special, make it truly interesting with 0.26 base accuracy and also up the shell velocity from 1000 m/s to 1,400 m/s.  
  • DPM buff - buff the ROF from 8.57 up to 9.57, this is nothing huge but the tank has zero staying power and won't bounce anything so at least let it DPM it's way out of situations. This would up the DPM to 2296. 
  • Penetration buff - CDC used to be one of the higher pen tier 8 premiums, now it is not, many other tanks have been buffed to it's 212 pen, put this advantage back and buff the pen to 225mm AP pen (or 230 APCR). 

 

Now we have a very mobile paper tank, that can fire a bit better on the move but excels at sniping being very accurate, with very low dispersion on turret traverse, decent pen and super fast shell velocity. This gives it a role and avoids it being just another generic tier 8 medium. 

 

Panther 88

This tank was bad when it came out and whilst yes it's had some buffs it is still miles behind other tier 8 mediums and tier 8 premiums, it doesn;t really have anything stand out, it's big, not that fast, has average gun depression, no armour, average gun handling, average pen.  It's pretty much mediocre in most categories. 

 

What to do with it?

 

I propose a very simple change to this tank, a massive DPM buff. The Caernarvon coming out in 9.20.1 is setting a precedent for high base DPM on tier 8 for lower alpha guns, so why not a really high DPM for this tank giving it one standout feature? Change nothing else about the tank but this. 

 

  • Give it 12.5 rounds per minute, this is the same DPM pretty much that the E50 has with the long 88 on tier 9. This would give it exactly 3k base DPM. 

 

(on a side note all the tanks with the standard German long 88, the Kwk 43 L/71 should have their prem ammo buffed as 237 is poor from 203 standard, buff to like 247)

 

Black Prince and Churchill VII

Grouped these two together because they are both poor, in the current meta where they have buffed the T95's speed to 20, these two tanks being capped at 20 is stupid, plus the Japanese heavies just crap all over these tanks in every way. They seemed to forget these in the recent British tank rebalance, so presumably these are that lines free XP sink but they should be better.

 

What to do with it?

 

  • Drop the guns down, now the 32 lber is the Caravan's top gun, the 20lber can be the Black Prince's top gun and the 17lber can be the Churchill VII's top gun. Keep gun handling and DPM the same as it is now with their lesser guns.
  • Buff top speeds to 28kph, it's how fast the Churchill III goes (cos Russian) and there is no reason these tanks can't go that speed.
  • Give the Chuchill VII more gun depression, it's currently -4, yes -4, lower now than most Chinese tanks, move it to at least -7, -8. 

 

T-34-2

Probably the most forgotten of all forgotten tanks, never played it myself but it's reputation is well founded. When anyone mentions tier 8 buffs and balancing, people say 'what about the T-34-2'? It has very little going for it at all. 

 

What to do with it?

 

The speciality of the Chinese tanks is their alpha for meds, so any buffs IMO should be around the 122mm gun. Also as the T-34-3 is getting all round buffed armour and an aim time buff, it would be sensible for the T-34-2 that has less armour to be the slightly more mobile, slightly better gun handling version of it's premium brother. 

 

  • Buff the aim time to 2.6s 
  • Accuracy to 0.4
  • Dispersion from 0.19, 0.19, 0.12 to 0.15, 0.15, 0.11
  • DPM up to about 1.9k ish. 

 

T95E2 and Chieftain/T95

 

Again grouping these together as they have similar issues. One is the 'invite a friend' reward tank and one is a forgotten CW reward tank from a mini-campaign. The main issues with these tanks is a horrible cupola, they have decent turret for tier 8 meds but are completely let down by the giant tumors that are pennable by HE pretty much. The rest of the tanks are very meh, especially the Chieftain/T95. 

 

What to do with them?

 

For the T95E2 -

  • Cupola reduction so it's similar to the recently buffed M48 Patton.
  • Penetration buff to at least 192 as 181 is just terrible for a tier 8 these days. 
  • Proper premium status so it makes money.

 

For the Chieftain/T95 -

  • As above cupola reduction so it's much smaller. 
  • DPM buff so it's more around 2k.
  • Premium ammo penetration buff to 248mm, as 238 is just not enough for a tier 8 that gets into tier 10s. 
  • Gun handling buff, dispersion moving from 0.17, 0.17, 0.13, to 0.15, 0.15, 0.12. 

 

 

FCM 50T

 

Formerly one of the best money making tier 8 premiums with it's decent pen, cheap shells and premium MM, in the current meta it is just a big XP pinata for the enemy. 

 

Not 100% sure what to do with this one, or why considering it's limited MM why it's still on sale, but considering the Somua is probably coming as a premium autoloading heavy and there are new French single shot heavies coming as well, why not make this into a trainer for that line? 

 

What to do with it?

 

  • Buff the armour, exactly to what is difficult because we don't want another OP tier 8 heavy. The other issue is the LFP of the FCM 50T is auto-bounce and small so wouldn't be a weak point. Something like buffing the turret front to 170, turret cheeks to 100 and the UFP to 150 - 160mm might do it.
  • Then nerf the top speed to 40kph. 
  • Buffing the armour makes it too much like the Liberte so let's focus on the medium tank elements of this tank and try not to make it like the CDC either.  Probably just a standard gun handling, DPM and ground resistance buff. 

 

 

There are probably loads more of forgotten tanks out there, victims of power creep (M60 is another that springs to mind), add your own suggestions. 

 

Some suggestions from others - 

 

View Postuglycousin, on 16 October 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

 

Not as detailed as your long list, but here are some more premiums to add there:

 

FV201 (A45) needs some serious love. It lacks armor, and it really lacks a good gun. The top gun on the Black Prince would suit it nice.

 

KV-5 - I know they are thinking about buffing it, but giving it the KV-4 top gun could fix it. It can keep it's R2D2 weakspots.

 

IS-6 - needs better gun. Fine otherwise.

 

IS-3A and IS-5 - both need gun handling buffs

 

Strv M42/57 - it needs a little bit more gun dep, and perhaps a little buff to the engine (every shot it receives will kill the engine).

 

StuG IV - just a little bit gun improvements?

 

T28 HTC - just a little bit gun improvements?

 

 

I think you got it pretty much covered otherwise.

 

P.S. Oh, maybe a bit of a buff to the E50M turret and DPM?

 

 

View Postfishbob101, on 16 October 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

Matilda IV - 102 ACPR should speak volumes of what needs to be done with it....Average pen on AP should go to around 110 with the premium shells being around 140-150. Would still be completely fucked by OIs but hey, at least its not struggling to pen same tier heavies with APCR.

 

Churchill Gun Carrier -

Was always the sh!t tank that people either didn't know about because of how rarely its played, or saw it as a meme for how crap it is. How its been able to stay in its current state for years is honestly pathetic by the balancing team.

For buffs, at the very least it should get that supposed HD buff that it never got, with the casemate going to ~220. On top of that, its gun traverse limits should be increased a bit so its not Russian Arty limits of traverse.

 

Churchill 3 -

Kind of painful to play nowadays as its armour just doesn't hold up - The gun relies on being exposed to do damage and anyone that you can shoot at you're pointing your flat 88mm turret at which pretty much every tank at the tier can pen. Add to that that the hull armour generally is pretty bad as for the most part its either ~63-88mm with the only decent parts being the slap of armour around the MG port and the lower plate. I honestly find it pretty mediocre.

 

Imo its hull and turret armour should go to 114.3mm, which is the same thickness as the lower plate. For weakspots, keep the MG port weakspot at 63mm and keep the sloped part of the hull the same thickness at 38.1mm thick and ~80mm effective. 

 

Type T-34 - A Clone of a Russian tank that for some reason is worse than said Russian counterpart. I get it WG, you wanted it to be different than the Russian T-34, but y'could've done better than slashing the gun depression and compensating it by giving tiny, unnoticeable improvements to terrain resistances and gun soft stats.

 

I'd have 2 ways to go about buffing it:

- Making it being exactly the same as the Russian T-34, it'd make the tank decent but is a boring way of going about it

- Keeping the tank the same but buffing the 76mm to have ~110 standard pen and ~140-150 APCR pen as well as an accuracy buff from 0.44 to ~0.38-0.37. This'd make it different from the Russian T-34 by having lower pen, accuracy, gun depression and DPM but having increased alpha and better soft stats.

 

 

Strv 42/57 - Either an engine HP buff or something that stops it from being tracked and engine'd in the same shot.

 

 

 

View PostIsharial, on 17 October 2017 - 12:17 AM, said:

 

T-34-1

atleast either a reduction on bloom of turret turning, or an aiming time reduction.. for the alpha, the gun takes far too long to aim!


 

AC 46

either a camo buff, or remove the roof weakspot.. the armours not that great frontally without the weakspot, why does it need a huge boil on the roof that can be pen by pretty much anything it meets?

if its an assault gun, atleast let its armour work by buffing the roof cupola's...

if its a sniper, give it some decent camo so it can snipe...


 

T34-2G

needs a terrain resistance change

you can barely get to 50kph without throwing it off himmelsdorf hill, even though it has 16hp/t...


 

 

View PostAnxter_, on 17 October 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Mutz: make the 20mm coaxial and alt-fire gun.

 

CDC: lower dispersion to 0.31 down from 0.33 and lower dispersion on moving to 0.16 from 0.19 and most importantly drastically lower the terrain resistances so it actually gets to use that insane P/W ratio. No point in keeping the other stats in check on a tank with 240 alpha at tier 8 with no armor. It should be able to dance around defenders no problem.

 

 

View Postares354, on 17 October 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

T32
-Big problem is turret. This tank has amazing turret armor, buffing gun will make it OP, and worse is that T29 top gun will get same buff, and T29 is not bad tank. 
-Biggest problem with T32 is low AP pen, but on T29 is good. 
-So what to do, give this tank his own gun, 90 mm high velocity gun, with good pen, unique damage, good dpm, good gun handling, but lower damage then 105 guns but more then generic 90mm guns.
-A bit more mobility, armor is fine.

Tiger 2
-In War Thunder Tiger 105 mm gun is more powerfull then 122. 
-So I guess, best thing to do with this tank is make sniper with powerfull gun, coz VK auf A is fast hybrid, and Vk 100 is tank with armor and gun that hit hard. 
-Give this tank apds ammo, so this would be in Wot 105 shell with 75 mm sabot. https://forum.warthu...s-mit-h-kern/ - more info, this type of ammo was planned for 12,8 mm gun and 105, so Tiger 2 can benefit. 
-Stats for this new ammo, 235 pen on APCR, 295 second APCR or what ever, name dont matter, damage 350 per shoot, to be unique, and to show that this 105 was very powerfull. 
-Addbit armor on turret and upper hull, still lower plate will be big weakspot, still tank would be slow.
 

Vk auf A
-Give it best DPM of all tier 8 German HT
-15 mm more pen on AP, and a bit more on APCR.

 

How Germans tier 8 HT would look :
-Vk auf A, small buff to AP pen, fast, dpm HT to kill MT and to flank heavy HT and so on.
-Tiger 2, uber sniper, very powerfull gun, good dmg per shoot, very hig pen, slow and big tank
-VK 100, big, very hard to pen HT with high alpha, ok pen. Very slow, no camo, easy to flank.  

 

 

View Postleggasiini, on 16 October 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

Like some have already said, I disagree with your FCM 50T changes, doesn't really make it that unique; in fact, it makes it even less unique. Instead of being a semi-generic 240 alpha med with pref mm it now is a shitty Liberte with a 240 alpha gun and pref MM. Probably a GH buff + some armor buff would be better to make it a proper heavium with a DPM based gun. Think a bit faster but otherwise worse (when it comes to armor (even with buffs it wouldnt be that well armored, just bit more to bully lowtiers), DPM and gun depression) Patriot with pref mm. Or I don't know, really.

 

Some of my proposed changes:

 

TOG II*

 

  • Forward speed buffed from 14 km/h to 20 km/h.
  • Reverse speed buffed from 8 km/h to 12 km/h.
  • Dispersion changed from 0.21 / 0.21 / 0.19 (movement / hull traverse / turret traverse) to 0.17 / 0.17 / 0.14 (mostly to counter the increased bloom by higher speed; 20 km/h is massively higher than 14 km/h which results in much worse bloom).
  • Buff aim time from 2.21 seconds to 1.71 seconds.

 

The TOG II was never nothing more but a meme tank; however, these days things like the O-I, arty changes (which hurted TOG imo) and other power creepy things have left the TOG in the dust, rendering even the "meme" capability next to zero. Not to mention it is the last vehicle in the game with top speed under 20 km/h. Simple speed buff would help the tank massively, as well as reverse speed buff makes peek-a-booing much easier. In addition, the gun handling should be bit buffed as well. 

 

AT 8

 

  • Buff gun arc from 7.5 / 7.5 to 12 / 12 degrees.
  • Buff gun depression from -5 to -8 degrees.
  • Buff gun elevation from 7.5 to 12 degrees.
  • Buff dispersion on movement from 0.31 / 0.31 / 0.12 (movement / hull traverse / turret traverse) to 0.21 / 0.21 / 0.08
  • Buff the armor of right part of casemate from 76.2 mm to 203 mm.
  • Buff top speed from 20 km/h to 25 km/h.

 

AT 7

 

 

  • Buff gun arc from 7.5 / 7.5 to 12 / 12 degrees.
  • Buff gun depression from -5 to -8.
  • Buff the upper glacis armor from 76.2 mm to 152.4 mm.
  • Buff dispersion on movement from 0.29 / 0.29 / 0.15 (movement / hull traverse / turret traverse) to 0.19 / 0.19 / 0.10.
  • Buff top speed from 20 to 25 km/h.

 

AT 15A

 

  • Buff dispersion on movement from 0.35 / 0.35 / 0.15 to 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.08.
  • Buff top speed from 20 km/h to 25 km/h.

 

AT 15

 

  • Buff upper glacis plate from 127 mm to 152.4 mm.
  • Buff dispersion on movement from 0.27 / 0.27 / 0.10 (movement / hull traverse / turret traverse) to 0.17 / 0.17 / 0.08.
  • Buff top speed from 20 to 25 km/h.

 

Tortoise

 

  • Buff dispersion on movement from 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.06 (movement / hull traverse / turret traverse) to 0.15 / 0.15 / 0.06.
  • Buff the roof armor on casemate from 25 to 50 mm.
  • Buff top speed from 20 to 25 km/h.

 

Pretty global buffs to the tier 6-9 on the AT line. While WG might have plans for them, nothing is confirmed so I did it regardless. Most notable buff is top speed increase from 20 to 25 km/h, and a significant improvement on dispersion when moving. With the top speed buff they can reach the battle better, and with massively buffed dispersion on movement, they can actually wiggle more effectively and being able to shoot back; right now they lose so much accuracy that they cannot really hit things when they are wiggling. This makes the cupolas bit harder to hit, increasing their survivability. In addition, all of them except the AT 15A gets some buffs to their armor: AT 8's machine gun area on casemate is no longer a weakspot, AT 7 and AT 15's upper glacis armor are buffed and Tortoise's roof is buffed.

 

I have more things probably but these just came to my mind at first. There are few completely ignored tanks that could see some love and doesnt seem to receive any buffs in future, like 110, T-34-2, Tiger II and Tiger P. I would list more buffs for the 268 because even with the 9.20 buffs its still close to be one of the worst tier 10s in the game.

 

 

So one that has been mentioned a few times -

 

Tiger 2

The not so mighty Royal Tiger, the famous WW2 tank that many get into the game for along with it's tier 7 little brother the Tiger.  If you look at the WR curves for this tank, it is now massively underperforming, performing worse than the Caernarvon was, worse than the FV4202 or even than the CDC. The clear problem with the Tiger 2 is it is not sure what it is supposed to be, it's a heavy tank that does not tank very well, in a line that transcends from the Tiger 1 that can barely tank but has massive firewpoer, to the E75 and E100 that are super heavies with fairly average firepower. 

 

What to do with it?

 

My idea would be to turn it into the tier 8 Conqueror/215b, a heavy tank that has some armour but really is all about that gun, so -

 

  • DPM buff, not only has the new Caernarvon set a precedent for tier 8 DPM on a heavy, but it also seems a bit silly to me that the Tiger 2 a tier higher has some 300 less DPM than the Tiger 1. Buff base DPM to the 2.2 - 2.3k DPM level, similar to it's little brother. 
  • Aim time buff, it's currently 2.4s, why not make it special? why not make it like 1.8 - 1.9s. 
  • Slight gun dispersion buff. I'd go from 0.17, 0.17, 0.12 to 0.15, 0.15, 0.10/0.08. 
  • Penetration buff, it's 225 pen used to be on the higher end of tier 8 heavies but now not so much. This is a simple change because all you have to do it give it the Lowe's gun, the 10.5cm Kw.K L/70, instead of the L/68, and it then has 234mm standard AP pen. (Especially as the Lowe is now a much better tier 8 heavy than the Tiger 2).
  • Ground resistance buff, Tiger 2 is a bit sluggish with it's around 10 hp/ton, give it better ground resistances so it can accelerate and turn a bit faster.

 

You then have a heavy with excellent gun handling, good DPM, better agility and some usable armour.  Especially as the old 'excellent gun handling' heavy on tier 8, the Caernarvon has now been changed. 

 


Edited by tajj7, 20 October 2017 - 02:29 PM.


tankqull #2 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:04 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 20937 battles
  • 1,499
  • [-FD-] -FD-
  • Member since:
    08-31-2011
you forgot the t34 and type 59 wich both are rediculously crappy nowadays

tajj7 #3 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:14 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 25443 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

View Posttankqull, on 15 October 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

you forgot the t34 and type 59 wich both are rediculously crappy nowadays

 

Type 59 is getting buffed next patch and T34 has been buffed recently, though probably does need more buffs. 

ID_100 #4 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 25742 battles
  • 109
  • [IMAGE] IMAGE
  • Member since:
    07-30-2014


CaptainThunderWalker #5 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:24 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 18937 battles
  • 1,297
  • Member since:
    09-25-2015

I like your suggestions except for the last one.

 

I would not buff the FCM 50t's armor that much, but I'd give it the same gun as the AMX CDC and maybe a better engine.

 

Talking about Tier VIII, I think the non-premium medium tanks in general can use some love as they are some serious piñata's at times. A 20% RoF buff for all Tier VIII MTs with 250 alpha or less wouldn't be out of place - not just the premiums.


Edited by CaptainThunderWalker, 15 October 2017 - 02:25 PM.


Pandabird #6 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:26 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 33973 battles
  • 4,526
  • [KOFF] KOFF
  • Member since:
    05-19-2013

Type 5 heavy

 

Proposed buff: Automatic aim and fire + magnetic armor

 

Reason: I want enemy to just drive into my tank and die so i can eat more nachos while playing this complete no effort tank.



CityWolf #7 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 21152 battles
  • 1,752
  • Member since:
    08-23-2012
Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm needs a mobilty buff

Long_Range_Sniper #8 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

    General

  • Player
  • 32656 battles
  • 8,871
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    04-04-2011

Great suggestions, but unfortunately I succumbed to the WG marketing like I was sat in a new car showroom and traded in my CDC and Panther 8.8 for the STA-2 and the Ravioli.

 

At the moment WG won't get any more cash from me until I'm confident I'm not going to be a filler for their MM in my tier eight tanks.

 

I know the FV 4202 has been subject to a lot of debate, but I'd just like them to make their mind up with that tank and sort out what they're going to do.



SplittingVoid #9 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

    Corporal

  • Player
  • 20956 battles
  • 147
  • [REXDK] REXDK
  • Member since:
    10-21-2016
I believe you forgot the Leopard 1 which in my opinion with the current meta needs serious love.

tajj7 #10 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 25443 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

View PostCaptainThunderWalker, on 15 October 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

I like your suggestions except for the last one.

 

I would not buff the FCM 50t's armor that much, but I'd give it the same gun as the AMX CDC and maybe a better engine.

 

Talking about Tier VIII, I think the non-premium medium tanks in general can use some love as they are some serious piñata's at times. A 20% RoF buff for all Tier VIII MTs with 250 alpha or less wouldn't be out of place - not just the premiums.

 

It has the same gun as the CDC. 

 

Agree on the tier 8 meds generally, all the 230-250 alpha tier 8 meds should get more DPM across the board. 

 

 

View PostSplittingVoid, on 15 October 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

I believe you forgot the Leopard 1 which in my opinion with the current meta needs serious love.

 

There is already a thread on that. 

Havenless #11 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 454 battles
  • 435
  • [-UM] -UM
  • Member since:
    12-18-2014

I'd prefer FCM to simply better gun stabilization. Currently the values are 0.12/0.19/0.19 as in turret traverse/move/traverse. Making them 0.10/0.15/0.15 would go a long way in in making the tank competitive again.

 

CDC and Panther 8,8 are doomed cases because they're tier 8 mediums with normal matchmaking. Wargaming will never make them competitive. I do agree they are worthless nowadays but I think tier 8 mediums are just a lost cause because the whole category of tanks needs a massive rework. I have some ideas but I've just given up on these.

 

T-34-2 isn't as bad as people say tbh. I quite liked it when I played through it. The tank is tiny, nimble and has a surprisingly bouncy turret. The gun(I used the 100mm) is unquestionably horrible but overall I enjoyed it much more than the average tier 8 medium and you could even play it aggressively at times. Still, liking it more than most tier 8 mediums doesn't mean it's good. It's a tier 8 medium and it's sh*t. But as with P88 and CDC, I've just lost faith on these tanks.

 

T95E2 and Chieftain/T95 are tanks I have never found threatening in any way, but as with the rest of the tier 8 mediums I think they are going to be doomed until the whole category is reworked.

I quite liked the Black Prince. With some smart positioning the tank was pretty effective in position. Not a T29 but perfectly fine. The problem was the "getting into action" part, with 20km/h top speed it's just way too slow. I say give it something like 32. A tank with so mediocre armor and low alpha shouldn't be the slowest.


Edited by Havenless, 15 October 2017 - 02:46 PM.


Search_Warrant #12 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:49 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 27201 battles
  • 6,166
  • [LEWD] LEWD
  • Member since:
    02-08-2011
if they fixed tier 8MM it would help allot. but you just cant buff any of these meds/preff tanks enough to withstand the heavy tank prem onslaught.

Blubba #13 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:59 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 53652 battles
  • 1,954
  • [_GNR_] _GNR_
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

Type 59 Patton?

I can't play it for toffee but Maybe that's just me. Either way, I'd start with that commanders cupola.



Havenless #14 Posted 15 October 2017 - 03:05 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 454 battles
  • 435
  • [-UM] -UM
  • Member since:
    12-18-2014

View PostBlubba, on 15 October 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Type 59 Patton?

I can't play it for toffee but Maybe that's just me. Either way, I'd start with that commanders cupola.

 

Tier 8 medium. If you compare it to any decent tier 8 heavy it's so far behind that it would require nothing short of massive buffs to get even close in power level. The problem about buffing one tank into a level like that would result in people whining about the rest of them. On the other hand giving it a less extreme buff results in a situation like we have now - we'll get the kind of sorry buffs that T-54 Mod 1 and T-44-100 got in the last patch that turn unplayable tanks into borderline unplayable and power creep will drag them to "unplayable" again in a few months. The whole category needs a rework and a big increase in power level. Until then you're better off picking heavy or Skorpion and playing it like medium, doing the job much better than the actual mediums. The only tier 8 medium worth playing is the Lorraine.



ExclamationMark #15 Posted 15 October 2017 - 04:46 PM

    Colonel

  • Player
  • 16775 battles
  • 3,727
  • Member since:
    04-12-2013
Sadly there are far more than that. Basically every T8 that isn't premium should be on that list along with most of the ones introduced before the Skorp G.

Bucifel #16 Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:06 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 31013 battles
  • 1,373
  • [B4DD] B4DD
  • Member since:
    03-18-2013

what about Tiger 2..?

 



CaptainThunderWalker #17 Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:19 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 18937 battles
  • 1,297
  • Member since:
    09-25-2015

View Posttajj7, on 15 October 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

It has the same gun as the CDC. 

 

It does?

 

Well, I have neither, but... I always thought it had way less penetration.

Hm, buffing gunhandling would probably be the first thing I'd do then, and like I said, a HP/ton buff or maybe a small armor buff but nothing overly significant.



Isharial #18 Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:22 PM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 19826 battles
  • 2,352
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    12-19-2015

no love for the T-34-1? or the AC 46?

or even the british AT line?


 

View PostBucifel, on 15 October 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

what about Tiger 2..?

 

 

and that ^

 

there are far more, even newer ones like the T-34-2G (the T7 Chinese TD) it needs a serious change in its terrain resistance values as they really hinder its, on-paper, quite good mobility


 

I could come up with more but no one really cares...



tajj7 #19 Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:51 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 25443 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

View PostBlubba, on 15 October 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Type 59 Patton?

I can't play it for toffee but Maybe that's just me. Either way, I'd start with that commanders cupola.

 

Been buffed recently and it getting buffed again next patch.

 

--------------------------------

 

Tiger 2 is a good suggestion, Tiger 2 and T32. need some love. 



Zhongze_Li #20 Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:02 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 8514 battles
  • 206
  • Member since:
    10-29-2015
Really like the panther 88 proposition. Sure it may not be able to use the dpm fully as it have crap armor and camo (also long aim time), but that will distinguish it from e50 using l100 (which i switched back to after unlocking the e50m because it is such good fun) and genuinely make me interested in this tank again.





Also tagged with power creep

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users