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Lord_Edge #1 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

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So I unlocked the S-51 to elite my KV-2 and I have been using it for personal missions, however one thing confuses me.  I have the choice of the following two guns:

 

152 mm BR-2: Tier VII,  38mm pen, 700 alpha, 1680 DPM, 0.69 dispersion, 5.4 aim time.
203 mm B-4: Tier IX,  52mm pen, 1050 alpha, 1207 DPM, 0.83 dispersion, 6.3 aim time.
 
So what am I missing here because as far as I can tell the tier VII gun is way better with the new arty system as it has higher DPM, more stun time, more modules damaged, more assistance damage, etc.
 
Thanks.

Edited by Ubersonic, 15 October 2017 - 02:33 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #2 Posted 15 October 2017 - 02:53 PM

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Yes, you are correct.

K_A #3 Posted 15 October 2017 - 03:47 PM

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Bigger splash radius allows you to damage tanks even with misses, and to damage multiple tanks at the same time.

Schepel #4 Posted 15 October 2017 - 03:53 PM

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View PostUbersonic, on 15 October 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

So I unlocked the S-51 to elite my KV-2 and I have been using it for personal missions, however one thing confuses me.  I have the choice of the following two guns:

 

152 mm BR-2: Tier VII,  38mm pen, 700 alpha, 1680 DPM, 0.69 dispersion, 5.4 aim time.
203 mm B-4: Tier IX,  52mm pen, 1050 alpha, 1207 DPM, 0.83 dispersion, 6.3 aim time.
 
So what am I missing here because as far as I can tell the tier VII gun is way better with the new arty system as it has higher DPM, more stun time, more modules damaged, more assistance damage, etc.
 
Thanks.

 

You are comparing theoretical DPM. I think you may find that the actual DPM is far better on the second gun because 1) it has a bigger splash radius, 2) it has more pen, and 3) bigger alpha which combines very well with a higher splash radius. Furthermore, DPM is not really all that important on arty. Stun is what matters. Even a mild splash can net you a lot of assisted dmg, so you want the biggest boom money can buy.

K_A #5 Posted 15 October 2017 - 04:32 PM

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View PostSchepel, on 15 October 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

You are comparing theoretical DPM. I think you may find that the actual DPM is far better on the second gun because 1) it has a bigger splash radius, 2) it has more pen, and 3) bigger alpha which combines very well with a higher splash radius. Furthermore, DPM is not really all that important on arty. Stun is what matters. Even a mild splash can net you a lot of assisted dmg, so you want the biggest boom money can buy.

 

I find stun highly unreliable as a means of getting assistance damage. I've had games where I've clocked over 200 seconds of stun onto enemy vehicles out in open areas and got a sum total of less than 100 assistance damage from all that stun.

____Daddy____ #6 Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:26 PM

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Use the 2nd gun.

Lord_Edge #7 Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:45 PM

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View PostSchepel, on 15 October 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Furthermore, DPM is not really all that important on arty. Stun is what matters.

 

Well DPM is kind of important as you should really have your next shot zeroed in before the gun's reloaded, but stun mattering was kind of my point, you get almost double the stun time throughout the course of a match with the faster firing gun.



Schepel #8 Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:39 AM

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View PostUbersonic, on 15 October 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

Well DPM is kind of important as you should really have your next shot zeroed in before the gun's reloaded, but stun mattering was kind of my point, you get almost double the stun time throughout the course of a match with the faster firing gun.

 

Stun is directly derived from the size of the gun. Therefore, a bigger gun will result in longer stun times. Furthermore, a larger stun area (blast radius) allows you to stun multiple tanks.

 

You asked what you are missing. You appear to think a linear correlation between stats and performance exists. This is not the case. Seemingly small differences make a lot of difference in the performance of HE due to the way stun and regular dmg is calculated. 

 

However, in the end there is one way to find out: experiment. You may find that you favour a faster firing gun. You also may fnd that 'size matters'.


Edited by Schepel, 16 October 2017 - 09:40 AM.


Dragonlordcv #9 Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:42 AM

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View PostUbersonic, on 15 October 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

So I unlocked the S-51 to elite my KV-2 and I have been using it for personal missions, however one thing confuses me.  I have the choice of the following two guns:

 

152 mm BR-2: Tier VII,  38mm pen, 700 alpha, 1680 DPM, 0.69 dispersion, 5.4 aim time.
203 mm B-4: Tier IX,  52mm pen, 1050 alpha, 1207 DPM, 0.83 dispersion, 6.3 aim time.
 
So what am I missing here because as far as I can tell the tier VII gun is way better with the new arty system as it has higher DPM, more stun time, more modules damaged, more assistance damage, etc.
 
Thanks.

 

In the past you could platoon with higher tier tanks and see TX and TiX mostly so the use of 203 mm B-4 was good option. With new MM B-4 is a liability to the team due to the long reload.

CaptainThunderWalker #10 Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:52 AM

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I think that the small gun on the S-51 is a mistake either way as if you want to have a fast firing SPG, the G.W Panther is just so much better.

Aikl #11 Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:30 AM

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Big gun is way more practical in both in-game use, e.g. when three-five HTs have clustered up on a corner (and when realizing that the splash nullifies most accuracy-related matters) and out - when watching Youtube or spamming the forums in-between shots.

 

Before the rebalance the 203mm was quite unreliable - which it should be, with that gun on a T7, and running the 152mm with AP was generally more reliable (and quite fun, I must say).



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Higher caliber on your gun means you do more damage when you don't penetrate.

 

For a few arties what gun you want depend on which personal mission you have active.



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