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Room418 #1 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:23 PM

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Probably aint smart or pretty good idea, but I would like to have premium shells only for premium tanks. Why? Cause with stock tanks it is kind hard to play against players, who are loading a shietload of premium shells. Also, there is a lot of players. who are making shietload of new accounts. AS there is coming a lot of new players also, in most cases they get raped by premium shell [edited]. For example there is already a lot of players with less than 2k battles,, but already do have like 2k WN8, 2.5k WN8, 3k WN8 and so on. Why? Cause that is another reroll account, who builds stats by putting down new players deep in the ground. There is a lot of new players, who cant even compatite with others, cause they cant understand game in such way, if they get raped by premium shell [edited]. These premium shells have to be available only for gold or only with premium tanks, cause hey, it is premium tank! A lot of non-premium tanks are really good agaisnt a lot of premium tanks. IS-6 sucks cause...low penitration. KV-5 sucks....cause he is big, so he automaticly gets raped by premium shells from non-premium tans, Lowe is not a good tank...cause this premium tank in most cases gets raped by.....premium shells ofcourse. Everywhere is premium shells. T110E3 or E4 players, or IS-7 or any other pretty good steel wall tank - gets raped by premium shells. If a NEW player gets 1st T10 steel wall tank, he gets raped by premium shells and he doesnt understand, why the fck even these tanks has armor, if  anyway.....a lot of players load premium shells and rapes him. Also, when Light tank gets agasint heavy....heavy gets raped by premium shells ofcourse. :D I think we have to get back light tank idea, medium tank idea, heavy tank idea, TDs idea.

 

 

Light tank - goes for spots and kills other spotters

Medium tank - groups up with other meds to destroy one heavy tank or TD/

Heavy tank - line pusher, sucking up the shells and goes face-to-face and so on. Some of them have to play as med, for example, FCM 50t

TD - 2nd line support. Some of them can be line pusher.

 

All this is basicly kind lost, cause of letting everyone to buy premium shells players do solo. With any type of tank. Game aint interesting, if you cant use your tank for its designed porpuse, cause you can rape with T6 light tank T8 heavys and so on. It also would change the thinking, strategics, teamwork, priorities. I personally enjoied gameplaies, when I could get T9 tanks with T6 light tank, cause all what I had to do is spot, cause I understood, my tank wasnt designed to do damage, it was designed to spot, to look area around and give a light for others, but now.....I can go with T6 light tank against T8 heavys and rip there tankholes off, cause I can just load premium shells and do to heavy tank everything, what I want to do - shot lower plate, side armor, back of the tank, turret side armor, front armor and so on. 



Phobos4321 #2 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:39 PM

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well thats  actual something new

 

than again its mindblowing  bogus

 

i just need to think about a chrysler   with its  260mm frontal armor  so even t10 tanks might need premium shells to fight it  tank away the means to fight it but give him the means to fight back

 

you want to bring the pay 2 win to a whole new level

 

just watch the E100 i try to keep my use of HEAT rather low  but fighting other heavies i might not be able to flank so my options are

- bounce my shells

- load  HEAT

- load HE

with only 1 of that i would stay competitive

 

its most likely the idea to make WoT into WoTDs as they could mostly operate unhindered  with standard ammo even when lowtier



ricoBenitez1 #3 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:42 PM

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or maby give us the chance to load sheel`s

sorry could not resist

 



Jigabachi #4 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:44 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 16 October 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Probably aint smart or pretty good idea, but I would like to have premium shells only for premium tanks. Why? 

As you already stated, it's a horribly dumb idea, so I don't even want to know why.



Nishi_Kinuyo #5 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:51 PM

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Premium shells only for premium tanks.

Hm.. thinking...

Could there possibly be any regular tech tree tanks around that would benefit immensely from such a change?

VK100.01P, Mäuschen, Maus, O-I, O-Ni, O-Ho, Type 2604, Type 2605 are just a few that come to mind.



K_A #6 Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:54 PM

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Great idea mate, 11/10 for originality and quality :great:

Comrade_Renamon #7 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:09 PM

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No offense, but if a T8 heavy gets raped by a light tank than they are either:

1. Using the tank's strength against the heavy, mobility. Majority of the T6 lights cannot even hope to penetrate an IS-3 from the front unless they get a lucky roll (AMX 12t has 202mm pen on the premium rounds which is a 60% chance to pen the lower place unangled in close range.), most of them have premium pen in the 160-180mm range.

2. The T8 heavy is frankly made a terrible decision to be in a position where the light can easily use it's mobility against it, not to even mention the HP/Firepower advantage.

 

Above I only mentioned one of the 'softer' heavies.

How is making the game even more Pay to win going to help?



Room418 #8 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:02 PM

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Ok, than we can somehow reduce the usage of premium shells - limit their usage for like 35 shells per day in total. Or just remove it at all and get incomes from I dont know, casino style loot system which will appear here anyway some day, cause this thing comes in with a lot of games like MOBA, MMO, MMORPG games and so on. Maybe than can make premium shells more expensive than when they were available for 5 golds or 20 golds ( worst option and seem pretty useless and will make less incomes )? I dont remember the pricing of premium shells before. 

 

 

 

Chrysler was pretty bad move from WG DEVs, cause that tank literly is p2w. But forget it, that is one of like 500 tanks in a game, cause not many players buy that tank, cause that tank also is beeing raped....with premium shells. 

 

 

I think the idea of tanks should be back, cause that would be a pretty damn good game, when players should rely on strategic moves, on decisions, knowledge about tanks e.t.c., but not rely on how many premium shells I have in my account, how many premium shells I can afford, how to be annoiying and braindead player.

 



Room418 #9 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:09 PM

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About this p2w...well, this will be in almost every top MMO game I think, cause these companies have to make incomes, they need them make more options in game, make bigger, faster and more powerfull servers, employment e.t.c. The only thing what we can do is just deal with it. 

Edited by Room418, 16 October 2017 - 06:10 PM.


BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:14 PM

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View PostRoom418, on 16 October 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Why? Cause that is another reroll account, who builds stats by putting down new players deep in the ground. 

Of course you wouldn't be a reroll that you complain about....no....of course not....you just got lucky the first month you started.



K_A #11 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:24 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 16 October 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Of course you wouldn't be a reroll that you complain about....no....of course not....you just got lucky the first month you started.

 

I wouldn't be too quick to make that assumption. I was at 50% by 1k games and 54% by 3k battles solo. Some people do just figure out the game quicker than others.

Room418 #12 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:31 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 16 October 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

Of course you wouldn't be a reroll that you complain about....no....of course not....you just got lucky the first month you started.

 

​The problem here isnt reroll accounts, problem here is premium shells ( which are also used a lot in reroll accounts )

Comrade_Renamon #13 Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:41 PM

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I'd like to believe that most sensible people on the forum understands that premium rounds would need a rework and some are getting reworked (seen the new obj 430 changes? The a44 will have so awful of a premium pen it is not even funny), capping it is not really a good solution imho.

 

And no, I disagree with an MMO needing to be P2W to be able to survive (Dota 2 is a perfect example of this).



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If ever I read an intellectual analysis of premium ammo and the implications in the game for removing it (and while also considering the knock on effects of armour and how removing premium would generate even more OP tanks), then I will take notice. In the meantime all I read are lightly disguised appeals to limit costs because players can't be bothered to get credits to pay for it. Let's face it, a Lowe can shoot premium ammo for an entire game and still earn enough credits to pay for the next reload, so the only thing stopping a player is a low skill cap, for which there is the eternal hope that they 'git gud' for the sake of the games future.

BravelyRanAway #15 Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:01 PM

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View PostK_A, on 16 October 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

 

I wouldn't be too quick to make that assumption. I was at 50% by 1k games and 54% by 3k battles solo. Some people do just figure out the game quicker than others.

You know you can check a players progress on noobmeter and see their WN8 at different periods and see what tanks they skipped because they know the lemons already.



jack_timber #16 Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:03 PM

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He's not serious is he, you know I think he is.....

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View PostRoom418, on 16 October 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

​The problem here isnt reroll accounts, problem here is premium shells ( which are also used a lot in reroll accounts )

I have no problem with players rerolling.....fire away....but a reroll who complains about others rerolling is just hypocritical...as is a reroll who may have a 49% WR on his 16,000 game main but ridicules a player of the same from his lofty perched 56% reroll account.

Reroll by all means but don't be a [edited]about it.



Gremlin182 #18 Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:17 PM

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there are strong and weak tanks and premium tanks at least the newer ones are in no way weaker than standard types.

As long as we have +2mm and tanks that have occasionally to step up and finish off a high tier tank they will need to use premium ammo.

Its like you are saying that premium ammo is somehow unfair and tanks should not use it.

 

The real superpershing was built specifically to kill the heavy German tanks and the ammunition created to do that job and that was so it could kill Tiger IIs and Jagdtigers.

In the game they can meet the Maus and E100.

So its ok for a superpershing to use premium against tier 10s but the Pershing cannot

If you have a situation where only premium tanks had the better ammo then they would be the prime target to take out arty and TDs would go all out to kill them first.

 

I do not accept that premium ammo is overused at least its not overused against me, I can see every shot fired at me and damage is logged and ammo type used.

I find if I bounce a few shots then someone will change to premium if those bounce they back off if they pen I usually back off.

 

No premium ammo would ne a bad idea.

Limiting the quantity allowed per battle could work but would have to be adjusted for every tank and the guns they were using which would be a nightmare.

Stock grinds would be worse than ever because you couldnt use premium ammo on the poorer gun.

Premium ammo for gold is definitely pay to win.

 



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View PostGremlin182, on 16 October 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

Premium ammo for gold is definitely pay to win.

 

So is premium ammo for credits - people who buy credits packs for money can spam premium shells left and right. Those who can afford it can basically play in "ignore armor" mode all the time - no limits except your own wallet. Looks like definition of P2W to me.

 

And WG will be doing everything they can to be sure you'll need those premium shells at tiers 8+, more and more. But people are still playing and paying, so it looks they're happy to be milked like that.


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Room418 #20 Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:44 PM

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Ooooorrrr we can move back premium shells only available in clan wars! ^.^ So in random battles players only play with their standart ammunition ^.^ How about that?

 

WG still earns like millions of Euros or $, so why they cant put back premium shells only for clan wars and random battles should be goin only with standart ammunition, cause.....now in random battles to put buyers with casual players, premium shell bag against bag wtih standart ammunition is the same as putting a race car driver in a city between casual drivers. Like, come on! This aint fair against players, who comes and wants to enjoy this game without beeing destroied every single time in random battle because of reroll losers and "expierenced" premium shell r*[edited]. This aint anymore free to play as it use to be. This game mostly is becoming as pay to competite, pay to win, pay to play basicly. Why pay to play? Cause you cant play this game normaly, if you get raped by sickass buyers, premium shell r*[edited]e.t.c. :-) And yes, still the problem - you cant use your tanks for things they are designed for cause shows up premium shell players and shots their tanks anywhere they want, but still will penitrate. I am not saying that they also penitrate turrets or somethin, they can also just shot they higher hull from front without problems. Also...I am playing IS-3. When I want to cover my top of the gun mandle, players just shot under the gun mandle. When I get Type 64 in my [edited]or on sides, he ofcourse shots premium shells. When I get T37 or cromwell, same shiet....premium shells are fluding. When I got Skoda T 25, he ripped my [edited]off (took off `~600hp) without any ricochet, cause.....premium shells. When I get T71, he rips my as from front also, cause....premium shells. When you play TD, light tank appears and rips his [edited]from front..cause...premium shells ofcourse :D Like come on! :D Seriously?

 

This game aint anymore f2p. It is more like f2d ( free to download ), but to play and truly have some fun, you have to put money into it. To competite, you have to put like 5 times more money, cause premium account, shells, consumables e.t.c.







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