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lime_vortep #1 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:22 PM

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OK, I heard that Grille 15 will be replaced. Do we know with what? Or do we know if the mighty WT Auf E-100 is coming back? 

K_A #2 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:35 PM

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And just where did you hear this? Not something I've heard anywhere.. Deathstar is getting replaced, Obj 430 is getting replaced and T-10 is getting replaced but not heard of Grille...:sceptic:

xx984 #3 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:36 PM

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It's already back, just on the French line this time, kappa

_Great_Cyrus_ #4 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:48 PM

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View Postxx984, on 16 October 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

It's already back, just on the French line this time, kappa

 

Hallelujah



Phobos4321 #5 Posted 16 October 2017 - 05:52 PM

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but with armor, speed and camo

Spurtung #6 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:39 PM

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View PostK_A, on 16 October 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

Obj 430 is getting replaced

:amazed:



Uebergewicht #7 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:45 PM

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View PostSpurtung, on 16 October 2017 - 11:39 PM, said:

:amazed:

 

Technically, the 430 is not getting replaced, just down-tiered. What actually gets replaced is the 416.

JakeRoook #8 Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:57 PM

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Yes it is back lets celebraet that flashback moment

 

 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:50 AM

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View PostK_A, on 16 October 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

And just where did you hear this? Not something I've heard anywhere.. Deathstar is getting replaced, Obj 430 is getting replaced and T-10 is getting replaced but not heard of Grille...:sceptic:

 

430 is just getting moved down a tier along with the 430 II. It's the 416 that is getting replaced.. sadly.

roachex #10 Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:03 AM

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More logs for TD hatred fireplace. Overall those reintroducing stats is like waffle with dead crew. It wont be a thing at all..

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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 October 2017 - 11:50 PM, said:

 

430 is just getting moved down a tier along with the 430 II. It's the 416 that is getting replaced.. sadly.

 

Technically 430 gets replaced by a new tier 10. But yea, 416 gets the boot, 430 II gets downtiered to 8, 430 downtiered to 9 and a new tier 10 MT that's a better HT than E5 is added.

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View Postlime_vortep, on 16 October 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

OK, I heard that Grille 15 will be replaced. Do we know with what? Or do we know if the mighty WT Auf E-100 is coming back?

 

 

I thought the rumour was that the WFT E-100 would be coming back as a tier VIII premium (suitably nerfed of course).



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View Post250swb, on 17 October 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

 

 

I thought the rumour was that the WFT E-100 would be coming back as a tier VIII premium (suitably nerfed of course).

 

I've always felt that the Germans really needed a premium/reward tank destroyer. Currently they only have around 7 or so of them.

Edited by HugSeal, 17 October 2017 - 08:40 AM.


Dr_Oolen #14 Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:50 AM

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It was said by developers several times that they dont like grille and want to replace it with something else.

 

I dont see a problem with grille itself, but definitely a problem with retarded WG balance. Sure the tank was broken when introduced, but it wasnt op. It was broken simply and only due to its top speed. What did wg nerf on grille? Everything except for the top speed, making it no less broken, but completely bad and unplayable due to for a paper tank god awful maneuvrability and gun handling. Had they nerfed the top speed and buffed maneuvrability, gave it full turret and nerfed reload a bit it would even play pretty much exactly the same as the t9...

 

Either way, i think the T9 as it was introduced on the test server in first iteration was the perfect support/sniper TD for T10 (obviously with HP buff and maybe some more). Basically compared to the current overnerfed (yes, the t9 waffle performs very poorly currently) version it was initially like this:

 

patch 9.2: reload 10.9 -> 11.6

 

and on test server it was nerfed like this:

- reverse speed nerfed from 15 to 12km/h
- turret traverse rate nerfed from 24 to 18 deg/s
- elite tracks: nerfed hull turnrate from 40 to 36 deg/s
- elite tracks: accuracy spread from moving hull nerfed from 0,18 to 0,2

- elite tracks: accuracy spread from turning nerfed from 0,18 to 0,2

- 12,8 cm K44/2 L/61: nerfed accuracy spread from moving turret from 0,08 to 0,12

- 12,8 cm K44/2 L/61: nerfed accuracy spread after shooting from 3 to 4

- 12,8 cm K44/2 L/61: nerfed reload time from 10,7s to 10,9s
- 12,8 cm K44/2 L/61: aimtime nerfed from 1,7s to 2,1s

 

Basically, if all the nerfs to the thing were reverted, it had its HP buffed to 1900, accuracy buffed from 0.33 to 0.29 and aimtime from 1.7 to 1.5, then it would make a perfect T10 TD. (the top gun obviously would be the 128L61)

 

EDIT: basically the same could be done with borsig - remove all the nerfs, add a few buffs, put it at t9 (without the 750 gun, the 490 being top gun). Add a new waffentrager to t8 (basically the t7 steyr wt but with significantly improved gun with 490 alpha) and youd have a line of turreted paper TDs with for their tier mediocre to good alpha.

 

Borsig was nerfed like this:

 

9.2: reload 10.9 -> 11.5

 

on test:

- turret turnrate nerfed from 24 to 18
- hitpoints nerfed by 50 (from 1150 to 1100)
- stock tracks: nerfed hard terrain resistance from 0,9 to 1, nerfed medium terrain resistance from 1,1 to 1,2
- stock tracks: nerfed hull turnrate from 38 to 34 deg/s
- stock tracks: accuracy spread from moving hull nerfed from 0,22 to 0,24
- stock tracks: accuracy spread from turning nerfed from 0,22 to 0,24
- elite tracks: nerfed hard terrain resistance from 0,8 to 0,9, nerfed medium terrain resistance from 1 to 1,1
- elite tracks: nerfed hull turnrate from 42 to 38 deg/s
- elite tracks: accuracy spread from moving hull nerfed from 0,2 to 0,22
- elite tracks: accuracy spread from turning nerfed from 0,2 to 0,22

- 12,8 cm K44 L/55: nerfed accuracy spread from moving turret from 0,08 to 0,12

- 12,8 cm K44 L/55: nerfed accuracy spread after shooting from 3 to 4

- 12,8 cm K44 L/55: nerfed reload time from 10,4s to 10,9s
- 12,8 cm K44 L/55: aimtime nerfed from 2,1s to 2,3s

 

Again - buff HP to 1600; accuracy from 0.35 to 0.31; aimtime from 2.1 to 1.9, pen from 248 to 268 and it would be just fine as a T9 TD

 

The problem is the gun on st. emil though at 490 alpha, which unfortunately is historical. Otherwise the progression could have been something like 320 (emil) -> 440 (t8 wt) -> 490 (t9 borsig) -> 560 (t10 wt IV). Or possibly the emils gun could simply have 440 (like 128 on vk1001) -> 490 (t8 wt) -> 490 (t9) -> 560 (t10)


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 17 October 2017 - 09:05 AM.


samuelx43a #15 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:19 AM

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I was about to say if you have slept under a darn rock for the past couple years.
The new mini line looks very interesting however. Maune I should start going for it, but I have to go through the T-34(it's a good tank, but not my fav) and the others

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View PostPhobos4321, on 16 October 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

but with armor, speed and camo

 

Ehhh some people will never learn what a turret is

Folau #17 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:28 AM

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Why is the 416 getting booted? Seems like an odd candidate as I'm pretty sure there is a prototype at Kubinka (and I always kinda liked it).

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View PostFolau, on 17 October 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

Why is the 416 getting booted? Seems like an odd candidate as I'm pretty sure there is a prototype at Kubinka (and I always kinda liked it).

 

"it doesn't fit the line" I guess.. Also "people had a hard time adjusting to it" meaning scrubs were even scrubbier in it or something. I'm of course purely speculating here but given the recent other changes to tech trees have all been justified this way...

lime_vortep #19 Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:09 PM

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I have a question: When they replace The Death Star (FV215B 183), what happens to the tank for those who have it? They get the new replacement tank? Or they will keep the 183?

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View Postlime_vortep, on 17 October 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

I have a question: When they replace The Death Star (FV215B 183), what happens to the tank for those who have it? They get the new replacement tank? Or they will keep the 183?

 

Both at least acording to current plans




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