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Tier 8 Matchmaking - a tale of a painful grind, or how I lost the will to play anything but tier 10s


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Henriques #1 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:22 AM

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It was the AT 15, but I guess it could be any tier 8 (it just makes it more painful).

Since the introduction for MM 2.0 or whatever its called I got the feeling I was facing too many equal and higher tier opponents, much more than before. It was getting unpleasant with TVP VTU and some occasional battles with my premium tanks. 

So since my very first game in AT 15 I started writing down all my battles according to its tier, from tier 6 and above, and all the way to tier 10. 

 

Have a look at it: 

 


Now tell me. 122 battles, 53% vs Tier 10s, 78% of the time I was facing higher tier opponents, is this some kind of joke? Is this supposed to by a fun experience? Well it was not. 

I have played almost 10k battles in tier 8. I still keep 26 tier 8s, 15 of them are PREMIUM tanks. Some of these have 3 marks. All now rendered useless because its just not fun anymore. What happen to the "rule" 50% top tier, 30% vs 1 tier higher, 20% vs 2 tiers higher that IT USED TO BE?

Your bs MM could use a fix asap. 

Have a good day,
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Tinom5 #2 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:33 AM

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Dude. This. Truth. This is how i feel every time i hit the battle button with the M4 Rev. Like when i see im top tier i panic that i have to do it now or never because im gonna be bot tier next game. Im at the point of hitting the sell tank because i cant take it anymore. I need cash and thats why i bought a prem tank tier 8. Now its juut usless like you said. I  love playing tier 5s now its quite fun in the hellcat and i have my t-34-85m but they arent the M4 rev witch makes more credits. Its kidna dumb though because im over run by a crazy [edited]maus or a type 5 heavy. Hell even a normal tier 10. I dont know how this MM had to work but it doesnt do a good job.

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Isharial #3 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:37 AM

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I wonder if it will average out over say, 500 battles? maybe continue with this?

 

if it does prove to be so one sided, and more people come up with similar results on a survey of the same, WG really will have no feet to stand on


 

but I wonder whether this applies to all tiers? has anyone done it for T5 or T6?

will their MM be similar?

 

 



Tinom5 #4 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:40 AM

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View PostIsharial, on 17 October 2017 - 01:37 AM, said:

I wonder if it will average out over say, 500 battles? maybe continue with this?

 

if it does prove to be so one sided, and more people come up with similar results on a survey of the same, WG really will have no feet to stand on


 

but I wonder whether this applies to all tiers? has anyone done it for T5 or T6?

will their MM be similar?

 

 

 

I mainly play tier 6 nowadays in randoms and must say its almost the same deal. Though in the Hellcat i have more luck against higher tier enemys but still. Most of the time you are against tier 7-8s.

CoDiGGo #5 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:46 AM

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But Joe likes going god mode with his type 5 !

 

The poblem imo is not mm 2.0, is umbalance balance deparment, tier 8 should compite with tier x and not only be food for them.

 

But Joe likes going god mode with his easy 5 ! and thats why you will continue to be fodder for Joe


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qqq10 #6 Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:53 AM

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More than 50% battles against tX in that shitcan...  I just tried not to think much about what I was shooting at and getting shot by, instead concentrating on a tv show/movie/youtube playing on my second monitor. If I didn't I'd probably go get my pitchfork and add some new holes to the idiots that came up with this new MM... It makes me so glad that I bought the E25, it's the only tank I have left that's a decent money maker and fun to play.

Del059 #7 Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:01 AM

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T think the point is looking  at averages then those figures are not far off.

 

If we take the 3/5/7 favoured by WG then that means 20% top tier - so 80% not top tier. the percentages flip a little for 9-8 and 8-8 but those figures provided by the OP 53% against tier 10 seem to be not too far out 47% would be average.

 

That's what you get with the new WG formula.



NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:08 AM

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View PostDel059, on 17 October 2017 - 02:01 AM, said:

T think the point is looking  at averages then those figures are not far off.

 

If we take the 3/5/7 favoured by WG then that means 20% top tier - so 80% not top tier. the percentages flip a little for 9-8 and 8-8 but those figures provided by the OP 53% against tier 10 seem to be not too far out 47% would be average.

 

That's what you get with the new WG formula.

 

Yep, allowing for right variance those numbers are pretty much spot on. MM working as intended.

 

As for premiums suddenly being worthless, absolute rubbish. Your premium works just the same as before, it makes +50% credits the same as before and it trains your crew +50% exactly the same as before. OPs problem seems to simply be a desire to always be top tier so they can club the baby tanks.



CoDiGGo #9 Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:26 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 17 October 2017 - 02:08 AM, said:

 

Yep, allowing for right variance those numbers are pretty much spot on. MM working as intended.

 

As for premiums suddenly being worthless, absolute rubbish. Your premium works just the same as before, it makes +50% credits the same as before and it trains your crew +50% exactly the same as before. OPs problem seems to simply be a desire to always be top tier so they can club the baby tanks.

 

The problem with tier 8 is that you push battle button to be clubbeb. That exactly my point, that the biggest problem of wot is club/clubbed meta. 

Dragonlordcv #10 Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:30 AM

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Don't ever buy premium tanks and time. Only that will teach WG a lesson, anything else they do not care.

Junglist_ #11 Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:48 AM

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Wait you actually saw tier 6s in your tier 8 tanks? I thought that's impossible these days

Sebenza #12 Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:49 AM

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It's basically the reason why I see myself stopping with this game and have played 0 games over the past few weeks. The moneymaking is done at tier 8 and that is no longer any fun to play

iztok #13 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:07 AM

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Hi!

The main problem with this new MM is a lack of tanks in lower tiers. Like you wrote: "or how I lost the will to play anything but tier 10s". Many other players feel the same, so at any time there's likely too many tier-10 vehicles. IMO the other big chunk of vehicles is tier-8 premiums, because players want money, and this makes tiers 6 and 7 hard, because they too face tier-8 most of the time.

 

WG should reward us somehow to play more in lower tiers, and this imbalance would level out by itself.

 

BR,  Iztok



Hedgehog1963 #14 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:09 AM

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View PostHenriques, on 17 October 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

 


I have played almost 10k battles in tier 8. I still keep 26 tier 8s, 15 of them are PREMIUM tanks. Some of these have 3 marks. All now rendered useless because its just not fun anymore. What happen to the "rule" 50% top tier, 30% vs 1 tier higher, 20% vs 2 tiers higher that IT USED TO BE?

Your bs MM could use a fix asap. 

Have a good day,
Henriques 

 

 

 

At least half the tanks you fight are at your own tier.

RaxipIx #15 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:13 AM

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Yeah they butchered tier 8 badly. Tier 6 is a little bit better but it's still  bad only barely tolerable. I only play tier 7-9 now mostly, seems those  tiers  are the sweet spot.

 

I actually  feel bad for new players trying to grind tier 8 tanks.



juicyfruity #16 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:15 AM

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It's only worth playing tier 9 and 10, everything else is too painful, especially tier 8. How long can WG sustain that before players leave in droves to do something more fun? Not long, I'm guessing.

Excavatus #17 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:16 AM

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A man after my own heart!

 

I stopped playing this game because of the new MM.. It is not fun at all..

I have 3 - 4 tanks that I want to grind at tier 8.. and the game pisses on me continuously..

I know at least one other player with around 20K matches.. left the game because of the new MM..

It is not fun, unenjoyable.. This is a multiplayer game.. I like to play with my buddies in platoons..

and when you get into a platoon, ıt is guaranteed that you will see tier 10 battles %80 of the time in your tier 8 tank..

 

and If some WG dev, cus rep, or just a janitor... can answer me the following question, I would happily return to my tonks!

"That the frick that you are suppose to do in a stock T69, in a tier 10 battle?"

 



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View Postiztok, on 17 October 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

Hi!

The main problem with this new MM is a lack of tanks in lower tiers. Like you wrote: "or how I lost the will to play anything but tier 10s". Many other players feel the same, so at any time there's likely too many tier-10 vehicles. IMO the other big chunk of vehicles is tier-8 premiums, because players want money, and this makes tiers 6 and 7 hard, because they too face tier-8 most of the time.

 

WG should reward us somehow to play more in lower tiers, and this imbalance would level out by itself.

 

BR,  Iztok

 

Quoted for truth. 

 

A fine example is when WG gave us free T34-85 for a days or two tier 8 mm was back to normal ---->http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1

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K_A #19 Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:32 AM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 17 October 2017 - 01:08 AM, said:

 

Yep, allowing for right variance those numbers are pretty much spot on. MM working as intended.

 

As for premiums suddenly being worthless, absolute rubbish. Your premium works just the same as before, it makes +50% credits the same as before and it trains your crew +50% exactly the same as before. OPs problem seems to simply be a desire to always be top tier so they can club the baby tanks.

 

Working as intended which means someone somewhere seriously fked up thinking this was a good intention... :sceptic: Tier 9 platoons get shafted even more because mm struggles to ever put them at the top of a 3-5-7 tier 8 game, so best you can hope for is a full tier 8 only battle really...

redgismo #20 Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:06 AM

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Yeah MM doesn't work atm for T8, and don't even bother platooning at T8, as it feels like your bottom tier every game.




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