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tajj7 #1 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

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Is now OP -

 

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Well for 99.9% of the playerbase.

 

Third highest WR on tier 9 as well -

http://www.vbaddict.net/statistics.php?tier=9&tanktype=0&nation=0&premium=0&modeid=0&team=0&battles=1000&groupby=0&fieldname=won_lost_ratio&server=

 

60% of shots blocked -

http://www.vbaddict.net/statistics.php?tier=9&tanktype=0&nation=0&premium=0&modeid=0&team=0&battles=1000&groupby=0&fieldname=nodamageshotsratio&server=

(but apparently premium ammo makes armour useless, kappa)

 

3rd highest damage dealer on tier 9 -

http://www.vbaddict.net/statistics.php?tier=9&tanktype=0&nation=0&premium=0&modeid=0&team=0&battles=1000&groupby=0&fieldname=damage_dealt&server=

 

Almost 50% survival rate as well, up with the arties -

http://www.vbaddict.net/statistics.php?tier=9&tanktype=0&nation=0&premium=0&modeid=0&team=0&battles=1000&groupby=0&fieldname=survived&server=

 

Now I understand why the mobility was buffed, it made the tank far less painful to play and I totally agreed with it, however you can't buff the major weakness of a tank and leave it's other very strong points exactly the same, because they were balanced around that weakness. (also power creeps tanks like the Tortoise that now go the same speed as a T95, meaning they have little over it) 

 

So now you have a tank with amazing armour, a very good high alpha gun, good camo, and now acceptable mobility, leaving it's only real weakpoint the lack of the turret, but when you have that sort of armour, and very thick double tracks that is less of an issue as it;s very hard to track and do damage to a T95 that is coming round a corner. 

 

It needs a nerf, probably a gun nerf coupled with a camo nerf IMO or the LFP needs to be more of genuine weak spot so it needs to look for more hull down spots, but this thing is far too good. The super heavy armour spam is bad enough without having the TDs chipping in as well. 


Edited by tajj7, 17 October 2017 - 10:30 AM.


Igor_BL #2 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:32 AM

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I would wait with that nerf, because i have to grind 30-40k XP with t28.... After i grind e3, i will vote to nerf the t95.

For now, it is balanced.


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K_A #3 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:34 AM

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WG overbuffing tanks? Who would've guessed? :ohmy:

Noo_Noo #4 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:50 AM

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Honest question here to add to the debate. 

Is it broken now or simply over performing? 

I think that having some tanks slightly better than others is essential as it encourages the grind, for people to work towards them. Obviously that shouldn't come at the expense of game balance too much but enough to make people want to play them. However, I dont believe there should be any tanks that cant compete and simply become Free XP sinks. 

So I guess the question is when does a tank go from being strong and slightly over performing to being OP and then broken? 

Jigabachi #5 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:53 AM

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It's a very unique tank, in fact one of the most unique ones in the game. Let it have its shining moments - nerf the other OP tanks first.

Thejagdpanther #6 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

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Dr_Oolen #7 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 17 October 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

It's a very unique tank, in fact one of the most unique ones in the game. Let it have its shining moments - nerf the other OP tanks first.

 

Well, the thing that is being pointed out here is that its probably the single most OP tank in the game right now at t6+ (with the MM we have now), sure objectively things like defender/vk1001/chrysler are more OP, but currently those tonks get rekt by MM, more so than t95. At t9 itself the only other tanks id argue are OP are the t9 chinese TD and amx 30. One could argue that 11114 and mauschen are a bit too good, but id not consider those tanks to be truly OP to a point where they break the games/balance. And amx and the chinese things are barely played still, so they dont break the game often enough to be noticed.

 

EDIT: if i were to nerf it id probably keep its armor and really make it into an assault vehicle rather than "im a td i redline" and it being just as good at redlining as at assaulting

 

so basically:

accuracy 0.38 -> 0.44

aimtime 2.4 -> 2.9

nerf camo by 50%

 

should just about do it imo


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 17 October 2017 - 11:17 AM.


HundeWurst #8 Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 17 October 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

It's a very unique tank, in fact one of the most unique ones in the game. Let it have its shining moments - nerf the other OP tanks first.

 

New for you: That tank is OP. So your statement is questionable at best ;) .

OdysseusKrieg #9 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:00 AM

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Vajsravana #10 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:01 AM

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I don't know if OP... but surely it's very suitable for the current meta.

- best blocker in a corridor.

- high alpha gun very good in close quarter brawls.

- one of the few armors not easily penned with gold.

Before the buff, the tank was unable to  reach the classic "brawling corners" before everyone else in that corner either died or win the push.  :) 

Now, in a World of Gold and Corridors, it can shine.


Edited by Vajsravana, 17 October 2017 - 11:02 AM.


japtank #11 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:03 AM

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The T95 is much much better than the E3, at least tier for tier. The lower plate is much smaller than the E3 too and the weak cupolas are not easy to hit.

So is it now an overpowered tank?

 

Hell no!

Those turds are a pain to play, they are completely useless on so many maps and even on the best maps you can very easily have a bad time because there's no relocation possible with those tanks, once you're commited, you better took the right decision!

 

I rebought the T95 after the buff, had some wonderful games but an overall frustrating experience and sold it again.



Enforcer1975 #12 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:04 AM

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Looks like the speed buff was too much... :teethhappy:
 

View Postjaptank, on 17 October 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

The T95 is much much better than the E3, at least tier for tier. The lower plate is much smaller than the E3 too and the weak cupolas are not easy to hit.

So is it now an overpowered tank?

 

Hell no!

Those turds are a pain to play, they are completely useless on so many maps and even on the best maps you can very easily have a bad time because there's no relocation possible with those tanks, once you're commited, you better took the right decision!

 

I rebought the T95 after the buff, had some wonderful games but an overall frustrating experience and sold it again.

 

This.

T95s unless they have all odds stacked in their favor ( rear against a wall and a narrow corridor in front ) they are just a reason to take a detour at best. You get into their side and they don't have tanks supporting them they are toast. Farming them is too easy.


 

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View PostJigabachi, on 17 October 2017 - 09:53 AM, said:

It's a very unique tank, in fact one of the most unique ones in the game. Let it have its shining moments - nerf the other OP tanks first.

 

None of these are reasons to leave a horrifically OP tank alone and it has been like this for a while because it was buffed a good 2-3 months ago. 

 

The Maus is a 'unqiue' tanks, it was still very OP and got changed for the better of the game, the T95 is no different. I am seeing more and more of these things and they are heavily influencing games, they are not balanced.

 

It's now more OP than a Maus -

 

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Igor_BL #14 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:13 AM

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It is not OP, it is just "slightly" overperforming...
Well, that is new for me.

eldrak #15 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:13 AM

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Only played it after the speed buff.

Went to check my stats in it ... and it's my highest average damage per game tank at tier 9.

 

It felt really good even if you had a frustrating game every now and then where you either got no action or all friendlies went to die before you arrived. With a few tanks supporting it it becomes a monster.



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Dr_Oolen #17 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:26 AM

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View Postjaptank, on 17 October 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

The T95 is much much better than the E3, at least tier for tier. The lower plate is much smaller than the E3 too and the weak cupolas are not easy to hit.

So is it now an overpowered tank?

 

Hell no!

Those turds are a pain to play, they are completely useless on so many maps and even on the best maps you can very easily have a bad time because there's no relocation possible with those tanks, once you're commited, you better took the right decision!

 

I rebought the T95 after the buff, had some wonderful games but an overall frustrating experience and sold it again.

 

You know whats funny? Every time theres a discussion about a tank being OP and needing nerfs and the tank happens to be a slow heavily armored one a brigade of "completely useless on most maps because too slow to reposition" plebs jump in. So if the tanks are so massively terrible on MOST maps, how come they are reaching 54%+ winrates?

 

Unless i completely miss how statistics and math work, then if something is "COMPLETELY USELESS ON MOST MAPS", thus in MOST games (unless you start claiming that the tank is magically playing most of its games on those few maps where it isnt completely useless), then it should by definition have sub 50% WR. Since MOST means more than 50%...



250swb #18 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:43 AM

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When will the witch hunts end?

commer #19 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:50 AM

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It's so OP it feels like a tank from 2014. Seriously. When I played mine on NA it felt like pre nerf tier6 kv1s. You go forward, bounce everything, blap people for 750, people bounce even from your sides and you also get great camo. Seriously there is no easier tank to play in  the game. FCM Pak 40 is less broken, Maus in full glory was less broken, E5 pre nerf was less broken. 

leggasiini #20 Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:54 AM

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Yeah significant camo nerf would be a good start, and I don't feel like the massive traverse speed buff was necessary either.




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