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Metalmangorlo #1 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:08 AM

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WZ-111 5A is way too overbuffed compared to IS7. One extra round/min, ammo capacity, mobility, gun handling, premium ammo pen...This is not balanced.

Edited by Metalmangorlo, 18 October 2017 - 08:33 AM.


JaffaStar #2 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:12 AM

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what ?!? 

one is Tier 8 the other Tier 10 ... What ?!?
 

leggasiini #3 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:19 AM

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View PostJaffaStar, on 18 October 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

one is Tier 8 the other Tier 10 ... What ?!?

 

He probably means the tier 10 WZ. I guess he just didnt bother to write "5A" for some reason.

JaffaStar #4 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:24 AM

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ahhh ... okey ...

Spurtung #5 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:32 AM

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

WZ is way too overbuffed compared to IS7. One extra round/min, ammo capacity, mobility, gun handling, premium ammo pen...This is not balanced.

 

Cool story, bro. Shall we discuss armor now? Or do you only want people to agree with you?

Metalmangorlo #6 Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:35 AM

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I thought that tier x comparison with tier x is obvious.
 

View PostSpurtung, on 18 October 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

 

Cool story, bro. Shall we discuss armor now? Or do you only want people to agree with you?

 

LOL. Always this is the repost. The armor. Please expain how to shoot the hulldown WZ to pen it. The "weakspot" on roof? hahaha Try it with the IS7-s gun. Wish you luck.
 

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

 

LOL. Always this is the repost. The armor. Please expain how to shoot the hulldown WZ to pen it. The "weakspot" on roof? hahaha Try it with the IS7-s gun. Wish you luck.

 

It has not one but two cupolas, both can easily be penned with IS-7 regular ammo. 

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

 

LOL. Always this is the repost. The armor. Please expain how to shoot the hulldown WZ to pen it. The "weakspot" on roof? hahaha Try it with the IS7-s gun. Wish you luck.

 

Because those cupolas are so very small, right? Sure.

Now, please, do the opposite and shoot the hulldown IS-7 with the 5A.


Edited by Spurtung, 18 October 2017 - 08:42 AM.


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View PostSpurtung, on 18 October 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

 

Because those cupolas are so very small, right? Sure.

Now, please, do the opposite and shoot the hulldown IS-7 with the 5A.

 

IS-7 doesn't even need to be properly hulldown, just hide the lower plate and 5A is in trouble already.

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View PostSpurtung, on 18 October 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

 

Because those cupolas are so very small, right? Sure.

Now, please, do the opposite and shoot the hulldown IS-7 with the 5A.

 

You are right. Hulldown IS7 is hard nut to crack. But in all other situations Wz eat it alive, beacuse the dpm. This game is not about the armor mainly. First of all DPM. If you can kill faster, you win. But the 500 dpm hole (the two tanks with same alpha) is a bit too much. And the pen. With IS7's premium (303 avarage pen) penetrating a MUAS is nightmare. Lossing pen on distance. But the Wz HEAT is like hot knife thrugh butter.

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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

 

You are right. Hulldown IS7 is hard nut to crack. But in all other situations Wz eat it alive, beacuse the dpm. This game is not about the armor mainly. First of all DPM. If you can kill faster, you win. But the 500 dpm hole (the two tanks with same alpha) is a bit too much. And the pen. With IS7's premium (303 avarage pen) penetrating a MUAS is nightmare. Lossing pen on distance. But the Wz HEAT is like hot knife thrugh butter.

 

Other situations? You mean tanks try to engage in favorable conditions? Please, tell me more.

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View PostK_A, on 18 October 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

 

both can easily be penned with IS-7 regular ammo. 

From how many tries?! 2 out of 6 LOL.  and i'm speaking only about close encounters :))  i will not comment about WZ 5A capabilites as i do not have it. i'm only speaking from IS-& point of view , because i own it. Fair tank, yet the gun feels somehow crap.  i was expecting a significant improvement over the last patch.



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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

 

With IS7's premium (303 avarage pen) penetrating a MUAS is nightmare. Lossing pen on distance. But the Wz HEAT is like hot knife thrugh butter.

 

 

I wouldn't call it a nightmare. This is Maus vs. IS-7 APCR. Remember the Maus needs to turn his turret towards you every time he wants to shoot you.

 

View PostSTLR, on 18 October 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

From how many tries?! 2 out of 6 LOL.  and i'm speaking only about close encounters :))  i will not comment about WZ 5A capabilites as i do not have it. i'm only speaking from IS-& point of view , because i own it. Fair tank, yet the gun feels somehow crap.  i was expecting a significant improvement over the last patch.

 

5A cupolas are 215 and 225 effective. Of course if you hit the very far side it's gonna autobounce, but anywhere in the middle part should go through.


Edited by K_A, 18 October 2017 - 09:19 AM.


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View PostSpurtung, on 18 October 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

Other situations? You mean tanks try to engage in favorable conditions? Please, tell me more.

 

As i said. Trying to pen MAUS/Type5 or getting into position early. 1200hp yeeeey. And what abot the 2,97 terrain res? All in all WZ is far better than IS7. If you follow the WGL Wz is the new meta.

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Seriously, talking about the 5A cupolas as 'pennable' is really mauvaise foi.

E5 would like to have a word with you.



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I have both, I will say they are similar strong for randoms under my skill. For cw in general is true wz 5A is better because dpm, -7, HEAT pen and mobility edge

 

But in randoms armor matters, is7 could make some aggressive assaults counting with bounces, bully lower tiers, hug enemies. Is7 200 more hp, but armor give you some more extra hp balancing both tanks

 

I also think that bad to average player will perform better in is7. Probably a superunicum could use that dpm, -7 and better mobility for better result over is7. So imo balance betweeen is7 and wz 5A as perfect as could be.

 

 

 

 


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View PostK_A, on 18 October 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

 

I wouldn't call it a nightmare. This is Maus vs. IS-7 APCR. Remember the Maus needs to turn his turret towards you every time he wants to shoot you.

 

 

5A cupolas are 215 and 225 effective. Of course if you hit the very far side it's gonna autobounce, but anywhere in the middle part should go through.

 

Lets play this about 200m or more meters. With IS7 accuracy. So what can you see. And of course every Maus go into your face like this. Oh come on.
 

View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

Lets play this about 200m or more meters. With IS7 accuracy. So what can you see. And of course every Maus go into your face like this. Oh come on.

 

Put in the is7 picture like Maus and show the lower plate. You can pen it with tier 7 IS. LOL
 

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All 5A has over the IS-7 is the compensation for the thing shown bellow. You just pick what you like/need/use better and go with it.

 

 



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View PostMetalmangorlo, on 18 October 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

 

Lets play this about 200m or more meters. With IS7 accuracy. So what can you see. And of course every Maus go into your face like this. Oh come on.

 

You can zoom out all you want, the turret front is still just 260mm and you can hit it no problem. Besides, you're not supposed to snipe with the IS-7 so if you're too far to reliably hit it, you're playing your tank completely wrong.

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What a ridiculous thread, the IS-7 has armour.

 

I'm guessing someone was killed in their IS-7 by a WZ and just wants to whine about it on the forums.

Let's see the replay so we can give advise on what you did wrong.






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