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Noo_Noo #1 Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:46 PM

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Can anyone post these up please? 

I'm getting a bit fed up of them to be honest and I'm wondering how they are performing overall. Their cam rating is just insane and that's leading me to think that they're a bit to strong. I've had several games of late where the result often swings on how these perform which often hinges on whether they get spotted or not. Quite often they dont and basically hold a whole flank as a result as no one will push into them.

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t9 is bad, t10 is pretty much perfectly balanced



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The thing what makes them seem so strong is that once they get into their "preferred" situation, they are extremely strong. But in other cases it's kinda hard to work around the quirks of the tank.

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 19 October 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

 

t9 is bad, t10 is pretty much perfectly balanced

 

What site are these from? I've always wondered but never found them myself.. :unsure:

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View PostK_A, on 19 October 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

 

What site are these from? I've always wondered but never found them myself.. :unsure:

 

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They only work well on open maps where you exploit the very good camo, city maps are a challenge.

They can hold a flank if the reds come 1 by 1 if 2 or more charge in then they are easily defeated.

UDES will only bounce feather dusters from 50 paces, T9 and 10 can bounce some shots provided they aren't overmatched.

 



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T10 is the only one really bouncing anything. T9 you can never really rely on your armor, unless you face <100mm guns. T9 is also exceedingly annoying to play since it goes only 10km/h front/back in siege mode so you really can't peek and shoot with it. 

 

IMO T10 is the only good tank in that line and also the only one which isn't frustrating to play most of the time. 



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View PostDr_Oolen, on 19 October 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

t9 is bad, t10 is pretty much perfectly balanced

 

"Perfectly balanced" is about the complete opposite of what I'd call them. Not being OP does not imply that the tank is well balanced overall. If we check the stats in more details, it has

- a higher survival rate than some arties: http://www.vbaddict....urvived&server=

- a higher damage ratio than any other regular non-arty T10 tank by a significant margin: http://www.vbaddict....e_ratio&server=

- yet despite doing a lot of damage and surviving a lot only gaining average amounts of XP: http://www.vbaddict....erience&server=

 

Now what does that alone tell us? That these romulan abominations are experts at hiding at the back of the map, sniping over 400+ meters without real fear of retaliation while being mobile enough to avoid getting pushed when a flank collapses. Not to mention that we all know how much they like their mountain goat positions where they are almost unreachable, having laser-guns that render most armor obsolete combined with armor that is between autopen and close to invulnerable depending on the gun you face.

 

Of course, when you get spotted with your pants down in a romulan you're just toast as well.

 

So godmode in some situations, completely use- and helpless in others, not much in between. What other tank in WoT history had such characteristics? Bingo, welcome to WTE100 2.0. Yeah, it is a very different tank, but it's just as broken.


Edited by Geno1isme, 19 October 2017 - 03:09 PM.


Mimos_A #9 Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:16 PM

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The winrates are probably balanced by people who only use them as long range snipers and are content farming damage from the back. I'm on the 103-0 right now and I think it's an extremely powerful tank, especially when you know what can and can't pen you and aren't afraid to get forward and stuck in. I'd say it's one of the few "paper" td's that can easily do well on city maps as well, as long as you just avoid fighting anything that can really harm you. The mechanic where some guns just autopen you and you are virtually immune to others is ridiculous IMHO, it would probably be a lot better to balance it by giving it some proper weakspots and not have bigger guns just auto-penning it. And I wouldn't mind at all if they would do away with the ridiculous camo values, I'm a bit sick of seeing people squander the potential of these things by sitting in the back all game.

ZlatanArKung #10 Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

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The tanks are not overperforming/underperforming so performance-wise they are very well balanced.

Then they could be bad for gameplay in other ways  (like arty, WTF-100, FV215B 183, JGPzE100 etc).
And yes, I do believe the Swedish TDs at higher tiers have a problem with their extreme values in camo.

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 19 October 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

And yes, I do believe the Swedish TDs at higher tiers have a problem with their extreme values in camo.

 

They have such extreme camo value because WG screwed up the overmatch change and cancelled it. Once that comes out, their camo values will go down but I'm warning you, that update will improve their armour if it ever happens.

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View PostSwoopie, on 19 October 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

The thing what makes them seem so strong is that once they get into their "preferred" situation, they are extremely strong. But in other cases it's kinda hard to work around the quirks of the tank.

 

The 103s can bounce shells easily in the open too. It's pretty hard to hit that cupola when you can't get into their side. Yes i played the 103B a few games on the sandbox and i'm surprised players don't use that thing more aggressively.

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 19 October 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

The 103s can bounce shells easily in the open too. It's pretty hard to hit that cupola when you can't get into their side. Yes i played the 103B a few games on the sandbox and i'm surprised players don't use that thing more aggressively.

 

Type 4/5 says 'hi'. Japanese heavies fubarred the meta quite harshly since they got those idiotic guns.

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View PostK_A, on 19 October 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

 

What site are these from? I've always wondered but never found them myself.. :unsure:

 

http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu

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I hate my Tier9. i admit its stock but even so i really hate it (the top gun has same dpm but better pen). slightest turn and bam someone overmatches the goddam side. its got too many flaws for such crap alpha and garbage dpm..  tier 9 TD my balls.

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nice that they allow these very late 1960's/early 1970's tanks

 

compare them to the Tortoise (1940's), which can't pen the Strv 103B from the front, even with premium

 

i won't mention the rest of the works of fiction in these tiers...

 

(if they are using later era vehicles now, where's the Chieftain?)



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View PostSchepel, on 19 October 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

Type 4/5 says 'hi'. Japanese heavies fubarred the meta quite harshly since they got those idiotic guns.

 

Not to say that the Type 4's and 5's aren't broken as hell, but there's no reason to fight a tank that goes 25 close up in a tank that goes 50.

 

You can be plenty aggressive in the 103's if you pick your fights well. If something like a type 4/5 pops up you make sure you're well gone before it gets to shoot you.



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If you touch my strv103b:bush:........

 


Edited by imperiumgraecum, 19 October 2017 - 05:46 PM.


Noo_Noo #19 Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:07 PM

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Cheers for posting those up. Slightly surprised by the graph to be honest but the numbers are there. 

I wonder what a camo nerf would do to it given the fact that it has a camp play style. 

Now here's the weird thing on the STRV 103B

 

According to VB addict it bounces 40% of shots faced. That's more than both AMX Foch 50 TD's and the T110E4

 

it is also the 5th highest damage dealer at tier 10

Interesting that players are dealing plenty of damage but not being able to do enough to turn damage into wins. 



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View PostNoo_Noo, on 19 October 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Interesting that players are dealing plenty of damage but not being able to do enough to turn damage into wins. 

 

that's due to insane DPM 103b has. Players are able to do such damage while enemies are closing in and most of the time, an armourless TD will ask its team mates to fall back and most of the time they will refuse and suicide.




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