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Njubi #1 Posted 20 October 2017 - 07:41 AM

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Why in game suddenly i see that spaced armor works for some tanks but for leopard 1 who HAS integral spaced armour and was first tank in world to counter HEAT with that  have complete zero of armor, but on other side super Conqueror gets now full attention of gamers with spaced armor?? 

 

 

 

 

 



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Not in the version of the Leo in the game. Spaced came with later models, I think.

Njubi #3 Posted 20 October 2017 - 07:56 AM

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 Integral spaced armor was reintroduced in the 1960s on the German Leopard 1, not any other version it came on the first version of Leopard 1... so what version in game is Leopard 1 then

tajj7 #4 Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:27 AM

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You know the Conqueror was in service from 1955 and the burster plates on the turret were part of standard service Conquerors they just never used them because they were expensive and could get damaged easily, so were saved for war use.

 

As far as I know the Leopard 1 had no spaced armour, it was designed aorund mobility and firepower, protection was only rated to be effective against 20mm auto-cannons. 



arthurwellsley #5 Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:50 AM

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The 1961 Leopard "0" series, and the subsequent Leopard 1 series were all manufactured with cast turrets (slightly different shapes).

 

It was not until a later upgrade program re-built early series models between 1974 and 1977 that all four earlier series were upgraded to 1A1A standard when spaced armour was added.

 

The Leopard 1 ingame is the older version with no spaced armour, which is historically correct.

 

The first production batch to get spaced armour began production in about 1974 and were referred to as Leopard 1A3.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 20 October 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

The 1961 Leopard "0" series, and the subsequent Leopard 1 series were all manufactured with cast turrets (slightly different shapes).

 

It was not until a later upgrade program re-built early series models between 1974 and 1977 that all four earlier series were upgraded to 1A1A standard when spaced armour was added.

 

The Leopard 1 ingame is the older version with no spaced armour, which is historically correct.

 

The first production batch to get spaced armour began production in about 1974 and were referred to as Leopard 1A3.

 

More or less what I remembered. 

 

And wouldn't it ve boring if every med had great turrets? Gotta make them different. Sadly not what EG wants to do, clearly.



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View Posttajj7, on 20 October 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

As far as I know the Leopard 1 had no spaced armour, it was designed aorund mobility and firepower, protection was only rated to be effective against 20mm auto-cannons. 

 

View Postarthurwellsley, on 20 October 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

The 1961 Leopard "0" series, and the subsequent Leopard 1 series were all manufactured with cast turrets (slightly different shapes).

 

It was not until a later upgrade program re-built early series models between 1974 and 1977 that all four earlier series were upgraded to 1A1A standard when spaced armour was added.

 

The Leopard 1 ingame is the older version with no spaced armour, which is historically correct.

 

The first production batch to get spaced armour began production in about 1974 and were referred to as Leopard 1A3.

 

I think he's basing himself on this:

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 In response to increasingly effective HEAT warheads, integral spaced armour was reintroduced in the 1960s on the German Leopard 1. There are hollow spaces inside this type of armour, increasing the length of travel from the exterior of the vehicle to the interior for a given weight of armour, to reduce the shaped charge's penetrating power.

 which you can read here.

 

 

 



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View PostNjubi, on 20 October 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

 Integral spaced armor was reintroduced in the 1960s on the German Leopard 1, not any other version it came on the first version of Leopard 1...

 

Lol, if you quote one Wikipedia entry you might want to check the Leo1 article as well, spaced armor was first added with the A3 upgrade, not on the initial model.

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 20 October 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

 

The Leopard 1 ingame is the older version with no spaced armour, which is historically correct.

 

When it was introduced into WoT the later version would have been considered too modern and in game spaced armour didn't work against HEAT because HEAT used the same mechanic as AP.


Edited by Homer_J, 20 October 2017 - 09:14 AM.


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From what I could read, even though the turret was cast in a special way to try and minimize HEAT ammo damage, it was still just 70mm or armour and they knew very well the turret itself wouldn't hold up to even 250mm HEAT pen. 

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View PostNjubi, on 20 October 2017 - 07:41 AM, said:

Why in game suddenly i see that spaced armor works for some tanks but for leopard 1 who HAS integral spaced armour and was first tank in world to counter HEAT with that  have complete zero of armor, but on other side super Conqueror gets now full attention of gamers with spaced armor?? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gun mantles are not modeled on some British tanks even though they have them. They are internal on some tanks so because you can't see them on the model WG elect not to model them in the armour profile.

SplittingVoid #12 Posted 20 October 2017 - 09:49 AM

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Dude...I've posted an entire plethora of problems and suggestions regarding the leopard 1 which happens to be one of my most played tanks at 3k ...go check it out.

Njubi #13 Posted 20 October 2017 - 11:13 AM

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View PostSplittingVoid, on 20 October 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

Dude...I've posted an entire plethora of problems and suggestions regarding the leopard 1 which happens to be one of my most played tanks at 3k ...go check it out.

 

because people love Leopard 1 by his history not because devs are done good job with him (very polite way what i want to say truly), but now that tank is not anymore for this game, it is pice of s... , get spoted by t10 s. tanks in min and u die even faster, only his good look and love for him makes him one of most played. By history one of best tanks in world, by our devs trabant with snorkel

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View PostGeno1isme, on 20 October 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

 

Lol, if you quote one Wikipedia entry you might want to check the Leo1 article as well, spaced armor was first added with the A3 upgrade, not on the initial model.

 

He was sneaky, quoted while trying to pass it as his.




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