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tajj7 #1 Posted 22 October 2017 - 02:19 PM

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Grilles v Jpe100s.

T95 v Conway

IS4 v AMX 50B

Type 4 v T-10

 

And countless other examples like this. 

 

That is not balance WG, you said the MM would match similar tanks against each other, it is simply failing to do that and that is deciding games. You have teams with 5-6 armoured tanks against teams with 1-2 and they just steam roll games because how exactly is a Grille 15 supposed to challenge a JpE100 in a corridor map? 

 

It's bad enough that you don't fix OP tanks like the T95, Type 5 etc. but then you say the MM will at least match these tanks against something that might be able to stand up to them and then put an OP T95 against a paper tier 9 TD like the Conway (which can barely frontally pen a T95) and just 1 actual armoured heavy tank on the whole team, so that T95 gets to roll a flank just because he presses W.

 

It's clearly there in some games, and to me it looks like in those games you are getting more consistent games, but then in other games it is not there in the slightest. 

 

Here is an example -

 

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On there team you have an armoured heavy, armoured TD and an autoloading med as there 3 top tiers. 

 

We get a paper med, paper TD and paper autoloading heavy, so there team pushes through our team with ease, with the Bat Chat mopping everything up. 

 

According to this - https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/general-news/920-1-matchmaker-improvements/#tab3

 

The IS4 their was supposed to be matched against another IS4, Type 5, Pz VII, Maus or E100.

The JpE100 was supposed to be against another JpE100, Foch B, Foch 155 or Deathstar or FV4005 (which is silly anyway because JpE100 should be matched against an E3 etc. as it's an armoured TD)

The Bat Chat was supposed to be matched against another Bat Chat or TVP. 

 

Sure if we got a Maus or E100 etc. they could have played crap, but hell at least give us that chance, instead you let an IS4 and a JpE100 steamroll a game because the MM failed to do it's job and just gave them an easy ride. 


Edited by tajj7, 22 October 2017 - 02:32 PM.


Homer_J #2 Posted 22 October 2017 - 02:24 PM

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Good, it was a stupid idea with a terrible implememtation anyway.


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The caveat here is the PR speak. they said they match similar tanks to each other. they're right. They match TD's vs TD's & such. But you are right that in these classes are severe vehicle imbalances; causing more often then not a mismatch.

There was talk of re-organizing the tank class system to adress this issue, but it seems to have died a silent dead. It involved giving different classifications between breakthrough tanks like Maus & Type 5 & support heavies like the AMX 50, but it got nowhere it seems. It would help the MM if it balances in that regard.



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View Posttajj7, on 22 October 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

That is not balance WG, you said the MM would match similar tanks against each other...

 



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Generally the matches I've played the teams were quite a mirror but then again I might have been lucky. Situations like the OP shows should really never happen, certainly not on the corridor maps we have now. If one team has all the armour/HP then the other team will lose 9/10 matches.

 

This is not clanwars/skirmishes where both teams know what to do and how to outplay that kind of tank, this is randoms where the majority of players have no clue what they are doing or how to position themselves properly. If one team has all the heavy armour on a city map or all the fast tanks on an open map, the other team have a disadvantage from the start and stand a very good chance of losing.

 

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Homer_J #6 Posted 22 October 2017 - 03:41 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 22 October 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

The caveat here is the PR speak. they said they match similar tanks to each other. they're right. They match TD's vs TD's & such. But you are right that in these classes are severe vehicle imbalances; causing more often then not a mismatch.

There was talk of re-organizing the tank class system to adress this issue, but it seems to have died a silent dead. It involved giving different classifications between breakthrough tanks like Maus & Type 5 & support heavies like the AMX 50, but it got nowhere it seems. It would help the MM if it balances in that regard.

 

Nope, they were supposed to be matching super heavy against super heavy, autoloader against autoloader, etc. etc.

 

https://worldoftanks...r-improvements/

 

Not played enough to say if it is happening but if it isn't then that would be a good thing IMO.



leggasiini #7 Posted 22 October 2017 - 03:43 PM

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They are often mirrored, but certainly not always. I had a match where a 50 100 was matched against my O-Ho.



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View PostHomer_J, on 22 October 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

 

Nope, they were supposed to be matching super heavy against super heavy, autoloader against autoloader, etc. etc.

 

https://worldoftanks...r-improvements/

 

Not played enough to say if it is happening but if it isn't then that would be a good thing IMO.

Interesting, then it isn't working as advertised imo.



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I'm not sure if it's supposed to match group+tier for group+tier or just group for group but if it's the latter and they are matching an AMX50-100 and a Maus against an O-Ho and an AMX50b then that's the best joke they pulled on the WoT playerbase ever.

brumbarr #10 Posted 22 October 2017 - 04:28 PM

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Good, I dont want to have mirror matchups every battle, the battles have already gone down in variety and this would have killed all variety and prebattle planning.  

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ZlatanArKung #12 Posted 22 October 2017 - 05:46 PM

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Well. I think the balancing of heavies, TDS, meds is a bad thing.

They should balance on a role plane and not class plane.

Also, the MM should allow for some missmatching aswell.

Number of heavy breakthrough tanks should be +/-2 of each other imo.

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The day we have teams mirrored 1 by 1 its gonna be dead.

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View PostTang78, on 22 October 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

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Ever been unhappy in your life? Most probably yes but yet you're still here having no contribution to the discussion whatsoever. Just quit.

tajj7 #15 Posted 22 October 2017 - 06:05 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 22 October 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:


They should balance on a role plane and not class plane.
 

 

Well that is what it is supposed to be doing, though some of the categories are a little dodgy, like the 268 and E3 in the same category, whilst they think the JpE100 and a 4005 are the same but generally that is the idea. 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 22 October 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Good, I dont want to have mirror matchups every battle, the battles have already gone down in variety and this would have killed all variety and prebattle planning.  

 

What brumbarr said^^... I think having matchups mirrored would lead to very boring games.

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View Posttajj7, on 22 October 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

 

Well that is what it is supposed to be doing, though some of the categories are a little dodgy, like the 268 and E3 in the same category, whilst they think the JpE100 and a 4005 are the same but generally that is the idea. 

 

If they do, then they failed.

 

I have only seen an equal number of heavies TD, meds etc in every battle, and of same tier.

 

Never have I seen a T95 get balanced against a Mauschen/Type 4 for example (which could give a different amount of heavies if it happened).



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View PostTang78, on 22 October 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

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tajj7 #19 Posted 23 October 2017 - 11:46 AM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 22 October 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

 

If they do, then they failed.

 

I have only seen an equal number of heavies TD, meds etc in every battle, and of same tier.

 

Never have I seen a T95 get balanced against a Mauschen/Type 4 for example (which could give a different amount of heavies if it happened).

 

They don't do it outside classes, so it's those roles within the defined classes.  

 

As In E3 v E3, Type 5 v Maus etc. 



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what bothers me more than this - there is still a problem with only one team getting light tank, happened 2 times yesterday on open maps. If he is not a complete muppet its a gg for other team.




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