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avr7002 #1 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

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In random tier X  battles wr seem to be random too.  There is Player Rating Beta. I was surprised, when check tier X tank 121 stats in real random (no team battles, more than 50 battles last time, platoons still have influence). Lot of players below 50 wr in 121. Even some unicums. Player with avg 2643 dmg + 709 assisted dmg, on 39% wr.  Another player with 1772 dmg, but 59 wr.  Player with 2467 dmg +725 assisted and 37% wr (!), but player with 1600 dmg on 56 wr.  All that wrong time and wrong place dmg, but really? There is really hard to do lot of dmg in regular tank in tier X battles (RNG) on any place and any time. If somebody managed to do 3352 avg combined dmg on 50+ sessions, how it is corresponding his 39 wr in this tank in this session? Unless wr is just random and somebody managed to be individually good even in bad team.


Edited by avr7002, 23 October 2017 - 12:33 PM.


K_A #2 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:34 PM

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At 50 battles on win or loss will swing their winrate by a full 2%. It's not nearly enough games to judge actual performance.

ExclamationMark #3 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:35 PM

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Bad winrate and comparatively high DPG is usually as a result of being passive and farming damage [endgame] / redlining. 

Having a high winrate and comparatively low DPG can be a sign of platooning regularly with equally skilled players.

This applies at all tiers, really, not just T10.


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commer #4 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:40 PM

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Can noobs stop posting BS about WR being rigged/random? Or can mods form a special person playground where they can exchange their hoax ideas? There are like 5 topics every day about it and every time the logic is faulty and the player is bad.

Edited by commer, 23 October 2017 - 12:40 PM.


Mrjj007 #5 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:42 PM

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I agree with ExclamationMark also if someone has high wr but low dpg this could mean they deal damage to more important targets. For instance hunting and killing the light tanks that are threatening the arty.

Aikl #6 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:43 PM

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View Postcommer, on 23 October 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

Can noobs stop posting BS about WR being rigged/random? Or can mods form a special person playground where they can exchange their hoax ideas? There are like 5 topics every day about it and every time the logic is faulty and the player is bad.

 

No, they need these threads when they try to explain their crappy results.

 

(I don't actually care much about how people play; but players whining when they have no reason for it... no thanks. Well, it wouldn't be fun if all the good players started whining when they got a session winrate under their average either, of course. For some reason most don't do that. I wonder...)



Rati_Festa #7 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:45 PM

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View Postcommer, on 23 October 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

Can noobs stop posting BS about WR being rigged/random? Or can mods form a special person playground where they can exchange their hoax ideas? There are like 5 topics every day about it and every time the logic is faulty and the player is bad.

 

We need a weekly one at least otherwise the pressure will blow in noobland :)

Mrjj007 #8 Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:49 PM

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View Postcommer, on 23 October 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

Can noobs stop posting BS about WR being rigged/random? Or can mods form a special person playground where they can exchange their hoax ideas? There are like 5 topics every day about it and every time the logic is faulty and the player is bad.

Also I like roasting them



commer #9 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:01 PM

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View PostRati_Festa, on 23 October 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

 

We need a weekly one at least otherwise the pressure will blow in noobland :)

 

A weekly? There is another topic like that just 5 spots lower. 

avr7002 #10 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:03 PM

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Ok, 50 battles is not enough. I have 526 battles in my 121. Is it enough? I have 40% wr. So it is my real skill level. As 49 wr is average, so I am able by singlehanded drag every team down by 9 % in every battle, I participate. I am still on 187 position among 121 players.  I am now confused? I am on 187 place, but really I am WoT worst player, ever seen.



shishx_the_animal #11 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:09 PM

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It's far from random at high tiers...

commer #12 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:10 PM

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View Postavr7002, on 23 October 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

Ok, 50 battles is not enough. I have 526 battles in my 121. Is it enough? I have 40% wr. So it is my real skill level. As 49 wr is average, so I am able by singlehanded drag every team down by 9 % in every battle, I participate. I am still on 187 position among 121 players.  I am now confused? I am on 187 place, but really I am WoT worst player, ever seen.

 

1. Are you 187 THIS MONTH or ALL TIME? 

2. Active player WR is above 50% so you are dragging them down by 10.5%

3. You miss one important part of probability. While it is VERY improbable than a good player will get low win rate despite doing lots of dmg and kills it is still POSSIBLE and given the number of players it needs to happen to someone. Think of it this way. It is highly improbable you will win the lottery but it is highly probable SOMEONE will. Sometimes you are just unlucky.

4. 40% WR on the 121 is not surprising given the other stats on your 121. You deal 1200 damage per game. This is HORRIBLE. I am far from the best player yet I have tier 6 tanks that do similar damage to you in your t10 med. Let that sink in. Hell I have a friend who pulled 1500dpg in his O-I Exp. 300 more in a tier5 tank. So yeah you should havee crapWR. Sub2000 dpg in t10 tanks is acceptable only in lights.



TungstenHitman #13 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:22 PM

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View Postavr7002, on 23 October 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

 Player with avg 2643 dmg + 709 assisted dmg, on 39% wr.  Player with 2467 dmg +725 assisted and 37% wr (!), 

 

 

And? What is that like 1 magazine from a tierX foch or something, wow, this player landed 3 shots from an autoloader, probably at the end of battle when all team died, is this hard to believe has a 37% win rate being a total redline cowering dik like this every battle? " shots from an E100 is over 1k dmg, is 2 shots per battle awesome now? And a super heavy can get 700 assist just by face hugging several tanks while he gets noob killed, again, 700 damage at tierX is what? 1 shot from a teammate? lol!! This is NOT good.

 

View Postavr7002, on 23 October 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

  Another player with 1772 dmg, but 59 wr. but player with 1600 dmg on 56 wr.

 

This is probably stats for that battle only, everyone has a stinker of battle during a session but chances are this same 57%+ win rate player does good things MOST battles and that's the key difference, what do you do MOST battles? the loser tends to have 1 epic game which would be an average battle to a better player but forks up most battles, hence why he is a loser most the time while the better player has strong battles most battles with only the odd lousy result. Makes sense? Being good most battles or bad most battles is not random.


Edited by TungstenHitman, 23 October 2017 - 01:24 PM.


avr7002 #14 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:26 PM

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You commer had no high tier china tanks. You are platooning a lot. I have 100 % solo random. I dont have any mood installed. There are still lot of illegal moods, despite WoT declaring fighting them. Just check warpack site. They declare, that still no one player in WoT was never banned for using warpack. So there is too many false stats around + platooning to estimate your actual skill.



ZlatanArKung #15 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:27 PM

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Nah WRoad is not random.

If it was, we would see a normal distribution of WR (symmetrical) and not the one we current have.

TungstenHitman #16 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:30 PM

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View Postavr7002, on 23 October 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

I dont have any mood installed. 

 

Mood? I installed zen chill out album to set the mood.... pure bliss baby

 

 

Play world of tanks in peace and love my brother from another mother


Edited by TungstenHitman, 23 October 2017 - 01:32 PM.


brumbarr #17 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:31 PM

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View Postavr7002, on 23 October 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

You commer had no high tier china tanks. You are platooning a lot. I have 100 % solo random. I dont have any mood installed. There are still lot of illegal moods, despite WoT declaring fighting them. Just check warpack site. They declare, that still no one player in WoT was never banned for using warpack. So there is too many false stats around + platooning to estimate your actual skill.

I am not platooning and i have chinese tanks and i only have QB modpack. And doing 1200dmg in the 121 is horrible, you deserve that wr. There is a reason i have 60+ and you have 40.



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and the reason is QB moodpack :B

Rati_Festa #19 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:41 PM

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I have the WZ120 and its a really hard tank to get right, the lack of gun depression is really hard to get right for me. If the WZ121 is like it, which I think it is as I rarely see them in battle ( which is a clue to how tricky it is to play ). Then you are playing in the most unforgiving tier in one of the hardest tanks to play. This has resulted in you having a 40% wr not your team mates or the magical WG random lose fairy that lives in noobs minds :P

brumbarr #20 Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:43 PM

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View PostRati_Festa, on 23 October 2017 - 01:41 PM, said:

I have the WZ120 and its a really hard tank to get right, the lack of gun depression is really hard to get right for me. If the WZ121 is like it, which I think it is as I rarely see them in battle ( which is a clue to how tricky it is to play ). Then you are playing in the most unforgiving tier in one of the hardest tanks to play. This has resulted in you having a 40% wr not your team mates or the magical WG random lose fairy that lives in noobs minds :P

I hated and did bad in the wz120, i really liked the 121 and that was before the buff. They are very different tanks and the 121 is miles ahead.






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