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shousee #1 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:36 AM

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I mean, I want to grind my way to AMX ELC but its kinda hard when I played like 20 games in it so far and NONE of that was with equal tier or lower. Every single game is VI. Tell me what can I do against autoloading LTs or just those T -34 -85Ms ?

Derethim #2 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

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The AMX40 is tricky to play on high tiers. Try to be more of a support for your teammates. Track the enemy heavies, hide a lot behind cover and pop a shot into the occasional tier IV or V you can pen. Not much else to do here, it's a hard tank to play when you're the underdog.

shousee #3 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:40 AM

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90%ˇof games u are bottom tier, you have some armor, but not mobility whatsoever. It impossible to do crapagainst top tiers or even V. With that HEAT 90 is too low, every single game is against VI what the [edited]WG.

FritzSpiegal #4 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:43 AM

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EVERY tier has the same problem except T10 (where the problem is to lose credits most games!) though some tanks cope better than others against 2 X Tier. 

TungstenHitman #5 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

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View Postshousee, on 24 October 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

Tell me what can I do against autoloading LTs or just those T -34 -85Ms ?

 

Quack?



Hero_of_Tython #6 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:47 AM

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The AMX 40 is a troll tank, when top tier it is hilarious (unless you meet a Matilda) but against tier 5s and 6s it sucks.

The problem with tier 4 is that you can't see tier 2 tanks. All the tier 2 tanks (except I think the T2 Light premium) get preferential (+1) MM meaning they'll never get into a tier 4 game, this effectivly means that tier 4 tanks don't get -2/+2 MM but instead get -1/+2 MM. This used to be fine as you would still get plenty of games composed of tier 3 and 4 tanks only, so you got to be top tier an acceptable amount of times. But with the new template MM that seems to think the 3-5-7 split is the greatest thing ever (WG admitted the MM prioritises 3-5-7 games over all others) and since a tier 4 game can never be 3-5-7 (because no tier 2s) you are seeing far fewer tier 4 games now, which is why my beloved Matlida is gathering dust in the garage.

This is actually one of the arguments for +1/-1 MM across the board, standardise MM for all tiers (well except tier 10) rather than have different tiers have different MM (tiers 1,2 & 9 get +1 MM, tier 10 gets +0 and everyone else gets +2).

In the meantime buy a Pz2B or a Valentine II and enjoy +0 MM in every match


Edited by Hero_of_Tython, 24 October 2017 - 11:48 AM.


undutchable80 #7 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:50 AM

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At least the AMX40 has decent armour and gun. i too am grinding the French LT line and apart from that it is slow AF, I do enjoy it. Try playing the M5 Stuart in constant bottom tier games. I dont even bother shooting; I just rush to a bush and spot until I can go late-game arty hunting

Baldrickk #8 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:51 AM

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Don't forget that tier 3 can't see tier 5 now, so that makes the problem worse, you can't be mid tier

DracheimFlug #9 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:52 AM

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View Postshousee, on 24 October 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

I mean, I want to grind my way to AMX ELC but its kinda hard when I played like 20 games in it so far and NONE of that was with equal tier or lower. Every single game is VI. Tell me what can I do against autoloading LTs or just those T -34 -85Ms ?

 

Some of the autoloading lights will have at least a little trouble penning you. Load mostly HE. The AP round on the AMX 40 is horrid.

shousee #10 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:55 AM

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Its pain in the [edited]for new players to grind anything, you are just getting butt fcked every single game.

KillingJoker #11 Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:55 AM

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Its the 3rd topic in a row, that i see people claiming something its broken because they cant play it....

 

first the absurd -1/+1 mm requests, now this guy says tier IV is broken...

 

then you have to wonder why WG only releases power creep premium tanks, when so many incompetent players are wanting to look good

and they blame everything other their own incompetence...

 

its not their fault... its the mm is broken its the tier IV its broken... 

 

they genious players, but the mm is broken! 

 

 

 

 

 



_Avenger_SRB_ #12 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

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Many Tier 6s bounce the T-34-85M so i can only feel your pain, i'm grinding the Tier 4 swedish TD and i thankfully didnt have too many tier 6 battles (YET)

Derethim #13 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:13 PM

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The AMX40 needs a +1/-1 mm and a gun, that can pen 110 with HEAT and a little bit more with AP.

Also, the T-34-85's armor is just ... stupid. Many tanks on lower/same tier bounce them. To top that off, it has a great gun and good mobility with a troll turret.



shousee #14 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:15 PM

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View PostKillingJoker, on 24 October 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Its the 3rd topic in a row, that i see people claiming something its broken because they cant play it....

 

first the absurd -1/+1 mm requests, now this guy says tier IV is broken...

 

then you have to wonder why WG only releases power creep premium tanks, when so many incompetent players are wanting to look good

and they blame everything other their own incompetence...

 

its not their fault... its the mm is broken its the tier IV its broken... 

 

they genious players, but the mm is broken! 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe because its true ? Are you that full of yourself and arrogant moron that u can accept the truth ? Getting every single game against VI is not broken at all ? 



qpranger #15 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:18 PM

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I think tier IV gameplay would greatly improve if they buffed that awful Luchs 3 cm autocannon.

undutchable80 #16 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:19 PM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 24 October 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

Some of the autoloading lights will have at least a little trouble penning you. Load mostly HE. The AP round on the AMX 40 is horrid.

 

Must be configuring mine wrong as I run 50/15/5, so what is your loadout like...?

Long_Range_Sniper #17 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:23 PM

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View Postshousee, on 24 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Maybe because its true ? Are you that full of yourself and arrogant moron that u can accept the truth ? Getting every single game against VI is not broken at all ? 

 

The truth is you've failed to analyse the strengths and weaknesses of your chosen tank. If you don't want to grind it then the free XP required to go from IV to V is small, so you could skip it. Your choice.


Edited by Long_Range_Sniper, 24 October 2017 - 12:24 PM.


KillingJoker #18 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:27 PM

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View Postshousee, on 24 October 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

Maybe because its true ? Are you that full of yourself and arrogant moron that u can accept the truth ? Getting every single game against VI is not broken at all ? 

 

I just checked my Amx 40 statistics... 

 

i did 27 games, and i have 67% winrate with it, way above the average winrate i have with other tanks...

in thouse 27 games i survived 59% wich is also way above my average survival...

 

Notice, i am only an average player, i am not even a very good player,  so if an average player like me can do this in duck tank, you must be something really wrong

to be incapable of doing solid results with it...

 

Therefore, the tank is not broken...  and i am not arrogant, i simply demand more of my self than you,...

 

You try to not improve, you whine about something being broken, becuase you refuse to look to your mistakes and improve them

 

this game is all about competition, this isnt for everyone to shine, there will be allways bad, average and good players on it....

so please, try to be more resonable and objective when you open topics claiming something its broken

 

you must argument why its broken with some clear evidence of it, because your lack of results isnt enough to justify it...



StrikeFIN #19 Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:29 PM

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Play on A-32 and you will see how much it's L-10U shells bounce from most armored enemies even on tier IV, such as AMX 40 and Matilda, and even more likely on tier V :D

 

It has preferred MM, yet it still sucks too much...


Edited by StrikeFIN, 24 October 2017 - 12:30 PM.


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View PostFritzSpiegal, on 24 October 2017 - 11:43 AM, said:

EVERY tier has the same problem except T10 (where the problem is to lose credits most games!) though some tanks cope better than others against 2 X Tier. 

 

That's not true. T2 and T3 get better matchmaking than t4. T5 also has more chance vs t7 tanks than t6 tanks vs t8. Also t9 is god tier and has great MM. 




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