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coolmeltdown #1 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:15 AM

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because of the bonds you can now earn at tier 10, it has become a gold ammo bullet rain.

it is horrible, armour doesnt even count anymore..

 

premium members now (really) have the upper hand.

you simply cant keep up with all the cost involved as a normal player with a few premium tanks,

the equipment that can be bought with the bonds, makes the game even more pay to win,

 

you pay for members get 1/3 more credits, can buy, and shoot a lot more premium ammo

to get bonds that allow such a player to gain more benefits,

isnt that the essence of pay to win??

 

here is the dictionary

https://www.urbandic...term=pay-to-win

 

 



JocMeister #2 Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:01 AM

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Junglist_ #3 Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:55 AM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 26 October 2017 - 03:15 AM, said:

 

it is horrible, armour doesnt even count anymore..

 

 

Here we go again...



RaxipIx #4 Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:59 AM

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Even the best games give you like how many? 14-20 bonds? Good luck getting enough for an equipment that way.

Ulicum #5 Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:10 AM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 26 October 2017 - 06:15 AM, said:

you pay for members get 1/3 more credits, can buy, and shoot a lot more premium ammo

to get bonds that allow such a player to gain more benefits,

 

You do realize that you will gain more credits from shooting penetrating premium ammo that does damage than normal ammo that bounces?

 



laulaur #6 Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:30 AM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 26 October 2017 - 03:15 AM, said:

premium members now (really) have the upper hand.

you simply cant keep up with all the cost involved as a normal player with a few premium tanks,

the equipment that can be bought with the bonds, makes the game even more pay to win,

 

you pay for members get 1/3 more credits, can buy, and shoot a lot more premium ammo

to get bonds that allow such a player to gain more benefits,

 

Did you even bother to calculate how much 'advantage' those improved equipments bring??

I can tell you: somewhere around 2%, in a game that has 50% RNG.....:facepalm:

Yeah, really p2w bro...:trollface:



slitth #7 Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:34 AM

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Nope it's just pay to skip. As you more or less have this 3 options.

 

-- Option 1.

Farm silver in the lower tiers.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Option 2.

Farm silver in your favourite premium tank.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Option 3.

Buy silver or gold in premium shop, to skip farm.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Bonus.option.

Having premium account will lower the amount of time need to farm.

Will also give you more income in tier 10, so you need less time farming.

 



NUKLEAR_SLUG #8 Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:10 AM

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Don't know why you're all making excuses for WG, OP is completely correct. I know I for one will be farming improved equipment with the bonds from all those Raseiniai medals I regularly get.

slitth #9 Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:31 AM

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I not defending anything.
The grind in WoT is really pushing the limit with the Bonds system.

But it is not pay to win.
Yet a pay to skip model can be worse for new players and player retention

Ulicum #10 Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:49 AM

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I do not know why some people keep insisting this game is pay to win. As someone who has spent ridiculous amount of money in this during several years I can confirm that this game is pay and still not win.

tajj7 #11 Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:21 AM

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I do like that one of the few resources in the game you can't buy is pay to win, some would call that a stretch. 

Edited by tajj7, 26 October 2017 - 08:21 AM.


Kozzy #12 Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:25 AM

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View Postslitth, on 26 October 2017 - 05:34 AM, said:

Nope it's just pay to skip. As you more or less have this 3 options.

 

-- Option 1.

Farm silver in the lower tiers.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Option 2.

Farm silver in your favourite premium tank.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Option 3.

Buy silver or gold in premium shop, to skip farm.

Load full premium ammunition in tier 10.

Repeat.

 

-- Bonus.option.

Having premium account will lower the amount of time need to farm.

Will also give you more income in tier 10, so you need less time farming.

 

 

Pay to win would be having some things hidden behind a pay wall that cannot be achieved in game without paying.  Buying premium ammo is achievable with credits, credits can be farmed by anyone.  The only P2W elements of the game are OP premium tanks with have been statistically shown to provide players with more wins than they would have in an equivalent in-game tank.  Defender/E25/Lef etc. 

 

View PostUlicum, on 26 October 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

I do not know why some people keep insisting this game is pay to win. As someone who has spent ridiculous amount of money in this during several years I can confirm that this game is pay and still not win.

 

The funny thing is when ever someone brings up 'pay to win', just check their stats.  Sure enough, they nearly ALL have spent money on the game and yet do NOT seem to be winning a hell of a lot.  Take the OP, he has clearly spent a LOT on this game and yet does not have purple stats?  So he paid, but didn't 'win'.



Ceeb #13 Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:48 AM

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Im currently earning a shed tonne of bonds at T10.

 

Hardly ever fire Premium Ammo (hasn't been bought for Gold for years so its no fracking Gold ammo)



Balc0ra #14 Posted 26 October 2017 - 10:24 AM

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Tier X is full of gold spam now? Oh the horror.... Oh wait...

 

 

Then again I've had no issues earning bonds on any tier. Even without firing a single gold ammo round. As you make it sound like it's 100% impossible with AP. As you don't need to fire gold in a pure tier X game to get 400 XP, that is the min requirement for getting bonds in a pure tier X game. And it's not like getting 4 bonds vs 8 for spamming more gold is pay 2 win either. Or those 2 extra for the medal he got. He will get 5000 for that elite rammer in no time vs you right?


Edited by Balc0ra, 26 October 2017 - 10:27 AM.


ExclamationMark #15 Posted 26 October 2017 - 11:46 AM

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rrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

TankkiPoju #16 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:18 PM

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View Postcoolmeltdown, on 26 October 2017 - 04:15 AM, said:

because of the bonds you can now earn at tier 10, it has become a gold ammo bullet rain.

it is horrible, armour doesnt even count anymore..

 

Oh yeah. This is the reason. Like totally.

 

Personally, my plan is to shoot FULL PREMIUM IN MY OBJECT140 for 4000 games on tier 10, and then buy an improved rammer with the bonds. Uh huh.

 



tankqull #17 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:21 PM

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View Postlaulaur, on 26 October 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

 

Did you even bother to calculate how much 'advantage' those improved equipments bring??

I can tell you: somewhere around 2%, in a game that has 50% RNG.....:facepalm:

Yeah, really p2w bro...:trollface:

 

the problem is that only those who actually have no need for it as they are stomping everybody else anyway will get them at all. and thats totally stupid regardless if it is a 0.000001% or 200000000% effectivity increase.

these items need to go and be replaced by optical actually cool looking rewards that do not grant anything but "reputation".


Edited by tankqull, 26 October 2017 - 12:21 PM.


Aikl #18 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:25 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 26 October 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

Oh yeah. This is the reason. Like totally.

 

Personally, my plan is to shoot FULL PREMIUM IN MY OBJECT140 for 4000 games on tier 10, and then buy an improved rammer with the bonds. Uh huh.

 

 

One shall always make notes of senseless whining threads and make sure to contribute to the "problem" in a childishly stubborn way. :)

brumbarr #19 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:28 PM

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Last week I earned 700 bonds,  it will take me 8ish weeks to get 1 equipment if I play tier10 only.  So it will take me a loooong time to get more then 1 tank equiped.

tajj7 #20 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:29 PM

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View Posttankqull, on 26 October 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

 

the problem is that only those who actually have no need for it as they are stomping everybody else anyway will get them at all. and thats totally stupid regardless if it is a 0.000001% or 200000000% effectivity increase.

these items need to go and be replaced by optical actually cool looking rewards that do not grant anything but "reputation".

 

You fundamentally cannot call something pay to win when obtaining it is completely free.

 

To get improved equipment the only thing you need to do is play a lot. 

 

All tiers will give you bonds from medals, but all tier 10 games give you bonds faster but the difference in playing ok and playing very well in those games is minimal.

 

You could play every game in a tier 10 light, focus primarily on spotting and barely fire your gun at all, let alone spam premium ammo and eventually you'll earn enough bonds for improved equipment.

 

Please explain how that is pay to win? 






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