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xx984 #1 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

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Title says most of it really. I'm thinking of picking one of these TD's up and would like to know what one i should go with. Before the inevitable "Well do you need to train a Chinese crew or french crew" I need to train both, Going down the Chinese TD line soon and i need to train my Foch crew and i cant bring myself to play the 155. But the main thing to me is which one is more enjoyable to play, and can cope with tier 10s the best while continuing to make credits.

 

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TsundereWaffle #2 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:24 PM

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Personally I'd go with the WZ, but you're not me so... pick the one that looks the coolest?

xx984 #3 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:28 PM

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 26 October 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

Personally I'd go with the WZ, but you're not me so... pick the one that looks the coolest?

 

they both look pretty cool :ohmy:

 

Thinking about the WZ, seeing as its in tech tree now i can trade my IS-6 in for it.. 



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WZ-120FGT mainly coz 440 alpha with boatloads of DPM. troll armor than works, turns fast, moves good. like a turretless medium with a nasty gun.

Havenless #5 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:30 PM

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The WZ looks much better. The armor is actually really good against lower tiers and many same tier tanks and it has tons of DPM combined with good 440 alpha. Pen is good, gun handling is, well, not great but it's good enough for sniping plus the tank can actually be played as assault gun. The bad shell speed and meh accuracy limit the sniping potential a little bit but at least this one can obliterate things pretty quickly once it gets into action. You can get the reload to the point where you can permatrack tanks with 440 alpha which is quite relevant. Often planting in one good shot means you'll get to take another.

 

The AMX has a very accurate gun and great shell speed so its effective accuracy is great, and it also has two extra degrees of gun depression which allows it to play more positions but I just fail to see a point of a turretless TD with 2.1k DPM combined with 390 alpha. I mean it's pretty fast and all, but since it has no turret and you're limited anyway so it just won't matter most of the time. You can never permatrack anything with better than 50% crew so the one shot you sink in typically is all you will get before the enemy finds cover.

 

I'd quite like the WZ myself but I don't really feel comfortable buying any tier 8 with normal matchmaking as of now unless they decide to sell a Defender.



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The ROF of the French td is slower plus less dmg per shot, and I believe less pen.  But it is quicker and smaller so better camo.

The WZ is trollish armor wise, and packs a big stick. 

 

I bought both.

But if I had to choose between them, WZ 1000000000 times to AMX once.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 26 October 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

WZ-120FGT mainly coz 440 alpha with boatloads of DPM. troll armor than works, turns fast, moves good. like a turretless medium with a nasty gun.

 

View PostHavenless, on 26 October 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

The WZ looks much better. The armor is actually really good against lower tiers and many same tier tanks and it has tons of DPM combined with good 440 alpha. Pen is good, gun handling is, well, not great but it's good enough for sniping plus the tank can actually be played as assault gun. The bad shell speed and meh accuracy limit the sniping potential a little bit but at least this one can obliterate things pretty quickly once it gets into action. You can get the reload to the point where you can permatrack tanks with 440 alpha which is quite relevant. Often planting in one good shot means you'll get to take another.

 

The AMX has a very accurate gun and great shell speed so its effective accuracy is great, and it also has two extra degrees of gun depression which allows it to play more positions but I just fail to see a point of a turretless TD with 2.1k DPM combined with 390 alpha. I mean it's pretty fast and all, but since it has no turret and you're limited anyway so it just won't matter most of the time. You can never permatrack anything with better than 50% crew so the one shot you sink in typically is all you will get before the enemy finds cover.

 

I'd quite like the WZ myself but I don't really feel comfortable buying any tier 8 with normal matchmaking as of now unless they decide to sell a Defender.

 

View PostMr_Beefy, on 26 October 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

The ROF of the French td is slower plus less dmg per shot, and I believe less pen.  But it is quicker and smaller so better camo.

The WZ is trollish armor wise, and packs a big stick. 

 

I bought both.

But if I had to choose between them, WZ 1000000000 times to AMX once.

 

Thanks guys, Looks like WZ it is :great:

dennez #8 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:38 PM

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According to Foch the French one is a redline "Im TD player yes, pls spot!" sniper and the WZ is an in-your-face-ish close up TD, like the SU-122-44 is used to be

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I don't have the AMX, so I can't speak about it.

 

 

As for WZ, one thing I don't see people mentioning is the camo. It's insanely good. View range is also decent. Optics and some skills will put you over 450 and bino will bring it to 520. 

 

Put this tank in a bush with binos and will outspot everything in this game.


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Bounced a lot of times on the WZ armor :mellow: with my T10 tanks. That tank looks a bit OP to me, specially when its playing hull down.

xx984 #11 Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:46 PM

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 Definitely WZ then!  :great:

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View Postxx984, on 26 October 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

 

 

Thinking about the WZ, seeing as its in tech tree now i can trade my IS-6 in for it.. 

 

This tempted me as well, though I don't really have a crew for it, but I could use a female one. 

 

Would only cost about 4k gold I think seeing as you get about 6k from the IS6. 


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View Postdennez, on 26 October 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

According to Foch the French one is a redline "Im TD player yes, pls spot!" sniper and the WZ is an in-your-face-ish close up TD, like the SU-122-44 is used to be

 

That's exactly how I feel.

"pls spot"

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But it's not bad, I love the gun's shell velocity - you can snapshot at 150m, sometimes more if the target is made of cardboard.



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View Postxx984, on 26 October 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Title says most of it really. I'm thinking of picking one of these TD's up and would like to know what one i should go with. Before the inevitable "Well do you need to train a Chinese crew or french crew" I need to train both, Going down the Chinese TD line soon and i need to train my Foch crew and i cant bring myself to play the 155. But the main thing to me is which one is more enjoyable to play, and can cope with tier 10s the best while continuing to make credits.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

I tried both on a friends account.  As I was wanting to try the WZ TD. and was close to buying/trading my IS3A for it.   I bounced 5 out of the 10 shots I made. This was on Ensk.

 

I tried the CDA on Karelia, loved it. Gun handling was awesome, it was a 3k battle for my friend.(decent for me), I like the manoeuvrability of it, I was aggressive. the tank seem to suit me.

 

However it was a judgement based on two games, but I'll wait to the CDA is in the tech tree and hope the trading thing is still on.  Or wait for the keonifburgethingyPanzer with the 105 and hope that is similar as I have a German TD crew. I don't have a French or Chinese Crew to go in either. But have 4x Wonderful ladies to start a Line with to pick



ExclamationMark #15 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:13 PM

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WZ, but then again the Foch B is the superior TD of the Chink/French T10s, so... get both? 

xtram3x #16 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:15 PM

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I have both

 

In both tanks, tier 10 matches you'll be forced to snipe

In tier 8 and lower matches the AMX you'll still need to snipe but the WZ can be a real bully. Tier 6 and 7 will struggle to pen you at all so you can charge in and really stomp them. A lot of tier 8s will bounce you if they don't aim properly, including TD's like the Skorpian and JPanther 2. :)



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The wz is stronk but it isn't redline,  gun will melt people med to close but wreck your head if you try to snipe.
As mentioned camo is insane,  gun depression is decent and If you can find a slight elevation the armour becomes a consistent bouncer.

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View Posttajj7, on 26 October 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

This tempted me as well, though I don't really have a crew for it, but I could use a female one. 

 

Would only cost about 4k gold I think seeing as you get about 6k from the IS6. 

 

Havent bought a tank in ages... But i only needed an extra 4k gold too. So i got the WZ.. Its great fun.. Basically an SU-122-44 on steroids.

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View Postxtram3x, on 26 October 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

I have both

 

In both tanks, tier 10 matches you'll be forced to snipe

In tier 8 and lower matches the AMX you'll still need to snipe but the WZ can be a real bully. Tier 6 and 7 will struggle to pen you at all so you can charge in and really stomp them. A lot of tier 8s will bounce you if they don't aim properly, including TD's like the Skorpian and JPanther 2. :)

 

Tbh, anyone who autoaims at your Cda will bounce, because of how trolly the big gun mantle is.

Lloyd5 #20 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:14 PM

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Got them both .  Actually prefer the frenchie as the gun is fantastic . Camo is great, shell speed is lovely . I don't sit on the red line but it is more of a campy TD  .The WZ should be a better bully/assaut td although I've found the way tier 8 is at the moment I don't get much chance to use it as such.




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