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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:30 PM

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The campaign reward tanks are meh, especially the two first ones, StuG IV and T28HTC - they are remnants from other ages.

 

The StuG feels like torture to play.

It could be more fun, maybe by adding some mobility?

 

The T28HTC is very easy to kill from any angle due to its two... errrmm... "mammal glands" which are poorly armored.

 

Both tanks don't really feel like "rewards".



HundeWurst #2 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:40 PM

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Who cares about the low tier stuff.

 

T54 >>>> T55a these days and the IS7 >>>>>>>>>>> Obj. 260.



Aikl #3 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:41 PM

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Literally anyone could get the StuG, and the last thing this game needs is a "collector's tank"-style participation medal to smash T5. It's not good, no, but there are probably limits to what you can introduce to T5 tank-wise. For some reason T5 has stayed more or less balanced in terms of premium tanks over the years. It's likely that it has to stay that way.

 

T28HTC has weakspots. They are huge, but you can hide them. At least you don't have to hide literally the entire left side of your tank like the AT7, and you have great gun traverse to work corners. I didn't like it, but I don't have to play it.

 

T-55A might not be too strong, and the missions are not particularly easy, but currently it seems to offer sort of a 'hybrid approach' to the tech-tree T-54's guns. Sort of interesting if you ask me. Could likely get some more engine power without being broken.

 

260.. heh. At least you can feel kind of cool. That's something!


Edited by Aikl, 26 October 2017 - 03:42 PM.


pathed91 #4 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:42 PM

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T28HTC is fine, how about you try and hide your weakspots instead? Seriously, no more overbuffed armor without weakspots, it's ruining the game.

 

Would like to see some change to StuG IV though, like removing pref mm and change the gun to a short 88 with ~1600 dpm.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 26 October 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

The T28HTC is very easy to kill from any angle due to its two... errrmm... "mammal glands" which are poorly armored.

 

 

So you don't want weak spots on it? But you do on the HT's head on? Why do you think it has that wide gun angle. So you can use wrecks, rocks or buildings to hide them behind.

 



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View PostWunderWurst, on 26 October 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:

Who cares about the low tier stuff.

 

T54 >>>> T55a these days and the IS7 >>>>>>>>>>> Obj. 260.

 

This. 

 

T-55A, Obj. 260 and M60 all got power creeped to hell in the recent rounds of buffs. 



Igor_BL #7 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

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agree

 

 stug was crap

 

t28 was fun tank, but i dont like slow tanks so i sold it

 

t55 was good, but i sold it also, because t54 had better armor and it is big difference that UFP

 

260 is great, fun tank. but is7 and Chinese HT are simply way ahead of it.... is7 and 5a in first place, didnt play 113, but i think it is still better then 260.

 

reward tanks should be good. really good. and not weaker versions of techtree tanks.

 



Eaglax #8 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:05 PM

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StugIV is just a pain in the [edited]... it doesn't have to be OP or "very good", but it's not even average..

And I don't understand why the didn't buff the T55a when they buffed the T54...



Balc0ra #9 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:19 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 26 October 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

This. 

 

T-55A, Obj. 260 and M60 all got power creeped to hell in the recent rounds of buffs. 

 

Well T-55A did not get the turret buff. Might come when they stir up the German tech tree for their balance changes, who knows. As for the gun. I hope they don't touch it. As I like the fact it has the brawling gun of the T-54 with a bit less DPM, but the dispersion of the sniper gun.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 26 October 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

The StuG feels like torture to play.

It could be more fun, maybe by adding some mobility?

 

Actually it is slower then the normal Stug, it's engine is a bit weaker. But the top speed is only 2 km/h slower. But the Stug IV has a bit more armor, and lacks the 50mm driver hatch weak spot on the 80mm line etc.



Baldrickk #10 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:23 PM

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Stug IV is fine considering it has prem MM.

T28 HTC is a T29 with no turret and additional weakspots.
It can work but meh.

But who really cares, they are the first two reward tanks.

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View PostBaldrickk, on 26 October 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Stug IV is fine considering it has prem MM.

T28 HTC is a T29 with no turret and additional weakspots.
It can work but meh.

But who really cares, they are the first two reward tanks.

 

T28 HTC is a T29? xD lol

_Bundesheer_ #12 Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:33 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 26 October 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Who cares about the low tier stuff.

 

T54 >>>> T55a these days and the IS7 >>>>>>>>>>> Obj. 260.

Sad but true.



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View PostAikl, on 26 October 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

T28HTC has weakspots. They are huge, but you can hide them. At least you don't have to hide literally the entire left side of your tank like the AT7, and you have great gun traverse to work corners. I didn't like it, but I don't have to play it.

 

I'm actually playing the T28 Concept and it is utterly, utterly terrible. You can indeed hide the glaring weak spots, but that requires finding a corner and staying there. You cannot advance, as everything can then blind fire those globes. While as reward premium vehicles, in my opinion, they should be slightly worse than regular Tiers (and perhaps even premium vehicles purchasable), the T28 most definitely needs a rework. 

 

First off, it should get an HP buff to something like 1.050 (in line with the British AT's). It's a siege/assault vehicle and served as base for the T28/T95 'concepts'. Problem is that with those huge globe weakspots it cannot just advance like the T95. It's ridiculous though that it gets only 50 HP more than an E25, and actually has less HP than some Tier VI heavy tanks while being more heavily armored. The British AT's get 1.0.50 and 1.250 resp, so it makes NO sense to leave the T28 Concept at 880 HP.

 

Secondly, it needs a (big) buff to dispersion values on movement. With 0.38 base accuracy, AND massive bloom values, it's impossible to hit anything unless you aim for 5+ seconds. During which anyone can snap shot the globes if exposes, snap shot regardless, and/or dodge/move. Accuracy wise only the SU-122-44 and T-34-2G FT are comparable but get 50% and 25% more DPM resp. while having -6 mm and +10 mm penetration resp. Bloom values are somewhat better as well, while also being far more mobile platforms. Balance? Logic? Consistency? None to be found.

 

N.B. Looking at bloom values and HP for the AMX AC 46, they're even more ridiculous.

 

View PostBaldrickk, on 26 October 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

T28 HTC is a T29 with no turret and additional weakspots.
It can work but meh.

 

Utter nonsense. There is little semblance between the two, other than the fact both mount a 105 mm gun (and use the same ammunition). The T5 for the T28 Concept, and the T5E1 for the T29. 

 

View PostWunderWurst, on 26 October 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Who cares about the low tier stuff.

 

T54 >>>> T55a these days and the IS7 >>>>>>>>>>> Obj. 260.

 

Possibly new(er) players, those who haven't yet reached higher Tiers, those who do not want to play higher Tiers, those who cannot really afford higher Tiers. Balance isn't something strictly to be reserved for Tier VIII and up. It should be there throughout all Tiers. Including those lower Tier reward vehicles, for those who would like to play them.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 26 October 2017 - 04:49 PM.


Baldrickk #14 Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:36 PM

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View Postanother_Ghost_Shell, on 26 October 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

 

T28 HTC is a T29? xD lol

It's the closest comparison. 

 

I wasn't saying that they are the same or equivalent. 

 

It may be comparing apples to oranges, but it's better than say, an orange to the moon.



AliceUnchained #15 Posted 26 October 2017 - 07:08 PM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 26 October 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

It's the closest comparison. 

 

I wasn't saying that they are the same or equivalent. 

 

It may be comparing apples to oranges, but it's better than say, an orange to the moon.

 

It's not. The concept was a base for the later T28. That is your closest comparison.

TungstenHitman #16 Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:06 PM

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When I glanced at this thread I thought it said "Camping reward tanks" now that WOULD be a game breaker!

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 26 October 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

It's not. The concept was a base for the later T28. That is your closest comparison.

So instead of two vehicles at the same tier, both with the same gun, you would compare two vehicles at different tiers with different guns?

 

Instead of comparing Tiger I and Tiger P, you think that you should instead compare the Tiger I and the Tiger II as one led on to the other?






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