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fwhaatpiraat #1 Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:31 AM

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So I decided to farm some credits this morning. Took my 'favorite' premium tier 8 tank, because reasons.

Anyway, at the end of the battle we all were racing to the last remaning enemies, I loaded HE for the remaining artillery piece. The shell does 360-600 damage, on average 480. I hit him for 359.... It confused me, but I kept on playing.

 

Some battles later, same situation occured. After I dodged professionally, on the move, the arty shell, I hit him for 328:

 

 

 

 

To me, the shells seem to behave like AP shells, because they didn't have much tracer and left a normal pen mark. Have more people experienced such things, what could cause it?

 

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ecefec #2 Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:44 AM

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Yap. I play with udes. Heve 2 fugas. But when i load premium AP, i get 8 shots fith fugas. 10-80 dmg 

AliceUnchained #3 Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:55 AM

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HE rounds only do their full range of damage on penetration. When they fail to penetrate, the damage is halved. Yet it does not appear to have happened here. Curious. Both cases it's the same SPG and you seem to hit more or less in the same location.

 

View Postecefec, on 28 October 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Yap. I play with udes. Heve 2 fugas. But when i load premium AP, i get 8 shots fith fugas. 10-80 dmg 

 

Just stop posting, please. This gibberish is incomprehensible and even then seems unrelated to the above.

fwhaatpiraat #4 Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:58 AM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 28 October 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

HE rounds only do their full range of damage on penetration. When they fail to penetrate, the damage is halved. Yet it does not appear to have happened here. Curious. Both cases it's the same SPG and you seem to hit more or less in the same location.

 

 

Just stop posting, please. This gibberish is incomprehensible and even then seems unrelated to the above.

 

Indeed. I checked the armor layout on tanks.gg, and couldn't find a part where the strv s1's HE shell would not have 100% chance of penning the arty. But still, even if it did not pen, it could not roll over 300, right?

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:01 AM

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Could be splash damage from hitting the barrel but then again the damage shouldn't be that high...or maybe yes.

AliceUnchained #6 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:04 AM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 28 October 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

Indeed. I checked the armor layout on tanks.gg, and couldn't find a part where the strv s1's HE shell would not have 100% chance of penning the arty. But still, even if it did not pen, it could not roll over 300, right?

 

Indeed. At least to my knowledge either you should have done at least 360 damage on penetrating with HE, or a maximum of 300 on a non-penetrating hit. Spall Liner only works on non-penetrating hits, so that's not it (side note, really wish Wargaming would rework that, as real Spall Liner works on non-penetrating and penetrating AP rounds as well).

 

View PostEnforcer1975, on 28 October 2017 - 10:01 AM, said:

Could be splash damage from hitting the barrel but then again the damage shouldn't be that high...or maybe yes.

 

Damaged is reduced by 50% on non-penetrating hits, and splash damage is reduced further depending on distance. 

 

Edit: I would suggest raising a ticket with Support in Game Bugs section. I doubt it will lead to anything (most likely you will get a copy/paste about armor being thickest on the front, etc), but might be worth a shot.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 28 October 2017 - 10:10 AM.


ZlatanArKung #7 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:06 AM

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I non penning HE should do 240 +/-25%
At most.

Half of HE damage minus some armour thing.

So shooting HE and dealing 320 is weird, extremely weird.

ZlatanArKung #8 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:08 AM

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My guess, WG bugged HE shells aswell.
Might start a training room and shoot some HE to test this out.

Baldrickk #9 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:13 AM

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Take it to support. If they can't explain it they can pass it up the chain.

You may have to re-read the ticket a couple of times to ket to the right person though

Edited by Baldrickk, 28 October 2017 - 10:13 AM.


UrQuan #10 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:14 AM

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Aye, something odd is going on here, damage is too low for a pen, but too high for splash/non-pen hit. 

 

Btw, that dodge: you went into the matrix didn't you?



fwhaatpiraat #11 Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:36 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 28 October 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

Take it to support. If they can't explain it they can pass it up the chain.

You may have to re-read the ticket a couple of times to ket to the right person though

 

Indeed, that's why I tried here first :)

 

I went into a training room and it occured again (with strv), for multiple shots. I switched shell types a few times and it went back to normal. Next training room it didn't happen again.

So there's definitely something strange going on. *fbi files tune*

 

@UrQuan, see mp4 below :P

 

 

 

 

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Baldrickk #12 Posted 28 October 2017 - 02:53 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 28 October 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

 

Indeed, that's why I tried here first :)

 

I went into a training room and it occured again (with strv), for multiple shots. I switched shell types a few times and it went back to normal. Next training room it didn't happen again.

So there's definitely something strange going on. *fbi files tune*

 

@UrQuan, see mp4 below :P

 

 

 

 

FBI files?

 

https://youtu.be/hAAlDoAtV7Y



Balc0ra #13 Posted 28 October 2017 - 03:43 PM

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Well I get the same feeling when shooting HE on a Borsig or Skorpion turret with the new French tier 8 prem TD. Same HE pen, 360 to 600 damage. Gotten sub 360 rolls on flat side of the turret several times. But I just thought I hit a module, etc. But seeing these screens. Who knows.

fwhaatpiraat #14 Posted 28 October 2017 - 06:42 PM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 28 October 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

X-files, my bad :)

 

Well, let's see what support will come up with.







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