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Etre_ #1 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:01 PM

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What the title says.

 

I get orange values over surfaces that should be green. This is with premium amo. 
I wonder if is somehow related to the Halloween, Leviathan event.

 

Anyone else getting this ?

 

 

Btw, I'm too lazy to upload screenshots so don't bother asking. The description is enough.



UrQuan #2 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:08 PM

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Angles, they matter. Can even turn something that should be easy penned (green) into orange (might pen) or red (no pen)

Edited by UrQuan, 29 October 2017 - 09:09 PM.


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Screenshots, please.

Etre_ #4 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:10 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 October 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Angles, they matter. Can even turn something that should be easy penned (green) into orange (might pen) or red (no pen)

 

Aham. The sky is blue also. Did you know ? 

UrQuan #5 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:12 PM

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View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

Aham. The sky is blue also. Did you know ? 

 

I do, but that is the explanation for what you are seeing. Good example of what angles do is the Defender frontal upper plate, it's only 130mm thick, yet no-one with some sense will shoot that, because the angle it's at makes it near impenetrable under most angles (unless you shoot it from above)

Edited by UrQuan, 29 October 2017 - 09:12 PM.


Etre_ #6 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:19 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 October 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

 

I do, but that is the explanation for what you are seeing. Good example of what angles do is the Defender frontal upper plate, it's only 130mm thick, yet no-one with some sense will shoot that, because the angle it's at makes it near impenetrable under most angles (unless you shoot it from above)

 

Man, looking at my stats ... do you get a inkling that I don't know the game mechanics ? 

 

 

Anyway, since no one seems to know what I'm talking about, maybe is a mod at fault. Damn it, I have to sort this s... again.


Edited by Etre_, 29 October 2017 - 09:21 PM.


UrQuan #7 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:26 PM

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View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

 

Man, looking at my stats ... do you get a inkling that I don't know the game mechanics ? 

 

 

Anyway, since no one seems to know what I'm talking about, maybe is a mod at fault. Damn it, I have to sort this s... again.

 

Yes & I think you get a bit too uppity about it showing orange tbh. As you said, you know the armor values & should pen still when showing orange & the indicator does not contradict it, it only says *There's a chance you won't pen*, it is just not clear whether that chance is small or not.

So if it shows orange, but you know you can pen that easy, bar a penetration lowroll, take the shot. 

 

This is also why providing screenshots is handy, so we get a clearer image on what is going on. Plenty of folks create topics here claiming tons of dubious stuff that often gets cleared rather fast when a screenshot or replay is provided.



Etre_ #8 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:30 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 October 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

 

Yes & I think you get a bit too uppity about it showing orange tbh. As you said, you know the armor values & should pen still when showing orange & the indicator does not contradict it, it only says *There's a chance you won't pen*, it is just not clear whether that chance is small or not.

So if it shows orange, but you know you can pen that easy, bar a penetration lowroll, take the shot. 

 

This is also why providing screenshots is handy, so we get a clearer image on what is going on. Plenty of folks create topics here claiming tons of dubious stuff that often gets cleared rather fast when a screenshot or replay is provided.

 

Dude, go troll some other thread please. Wtf are you doing here, really.

ClassicFrog #9 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:38 PM

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I've read about it somewhere in the recent topics. A mention about the pen indicator not working as it should. Never bothered using it myself, really, so can't verify. But it might actually be yet another bug on the list of things the recent patch messed up.

UrQuan #10 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:40 PM

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View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

 

Dude, go troll some other thread please. Wtf are you doing here, really.

 

You asked a question, I provided a possible answer based on the limited information you provided & added this (and I quote you here):

View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

Btw, I'm too lazy to upload screenshots so don't bother asking. The description is enough.

 

 

Then don't be too surprised if the answer is quite logical & basic, as your description of your issue was rather generic as well. I simply tried to help you out, based on the knowledge i have regarding armor & how it works.



Balc0ra #11 Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:58 PM

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View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

Btw, I'm too lazy to upload screenshots so don't bother asking. The description is enough.

 

No. Seems pr the norm for me.

 

Nor did you say you had mods that might have gone outdated the past mini patches. Or had screens for comparison. But for me... seems like normal.


Edited by Balc0ra, 29 October 2017 - 09:59 PM.


Enforcer1975 #12 Posted 29 October 2017 - 11:28 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 29 October 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Angles, they matter. Can even turn something that should be easy penned (green) into orange (might pen) or red (no pen)

 

Iirc angles aren't taken into account by the reticle if you mean effective armor due to angling.

Edited by Enforcer1975, 29 October 2017 - 11:28 PM.


HundeWurst #13 Posted 29 October 2017 - 11:30 PM

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Yes it is.

UrQuan #14 Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:07 AM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 29 October 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

 

Iirc angles aren't taken into account by the reticle if you mean effective armor due to angling.

 

They changed it, it now does take it into account; an example with defender LFP angled & straight on; remember Defender LFP is uniform, no weird/odd armor plates.

Also note that if you target the defender UP it will show red in most cases (unless shot from above where it can show yellow/green depending on angle & pen), despite it having only 130mm armor. Can be easy tested in a training room.

 

Edited by UrQuan, 30 October 2017 - 12:08 AM.


HundeWurst #15 Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:27 AM

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Well for me it buggs out. Especially when I start loading HEAT everything turns to red even though is a 100% penetration....

Enforcer1975 #16 Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:47 AM

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View PostUrQuan, on 30 October 2017 - 12:07 AM, said:

 

They changed it, it now does take it into account; an example with defender LFP angled & straight on; remember Defender LFP is uniform, no weird/odd armor plates.

Also note that if you target the defender UP it will show red in most cases (unless shot from above where it can show yellow/green depending on angle & pen), despite it having only 130mm armor. Can be easy tested in a training room.

 

 

Yeah...seems they changed it. That yellow chevron on the lfp is a lie. I had problems penetrating them there with my IS-3 from less than 100m during our TBs, damn pen lowrolls on those tomatoes every time in which case i just charged them and shot their sides or face hugged them and shot the armor behind the drivers hatch.

Ba_nshee #17 Posted 30 October 2017 - 05:12 AM

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Yeah, I got a lot of nonsense red ones too.

 

Feels like, everything was bugged this weekend: campaign, hall of fame, indicator, chat, servers, idk.


Edited by straubbazsi, 30 October 2017 - 05:20 AM.


Etre_ #18 Posted 30 October 2017 - 06:38 AM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 30 October 2017 - 12:27 AM, said:

Well for me it buggs out. Especially when I start loading HEAT everything turns to red even though is a 100% penetration....

 

Yes, HEAT is the most bugged. Yesterday I was playing T 34 2, the chinese medium. Had heat loaded (250 pen) and got into an OI. Frontal flat areas were orange. 

laulaur #19 Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:05 AM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 29 October 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Well for me it buggs out. Especially when I start loading HEAT everything turns to red even though is a 100% penetration....

 

Same thing for me. I was looking if i had load HE instead of HEAT, everything was red...

Emeraldweed #20 Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:09 AM

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View PostEtre_, on 29 October 2017 - 11:19 PM, said:

 

Man, looking at my stats ... do you get a inkling that I don't know the game mechanics ? 

 

 

Anyway, since no one seems to know what I'm talking about, maybe is a mod at fault. Damn it, I have to sort this s... again.

 

With your stats you shouldn't need a penetration indicator then




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