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lolsoez #1 Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:37 AM

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Im just wondering if full X mm is the right way for the game ? Im feeling that every game ends like 15-0 15-2 or 3-15 and in my 50b i do 2000 dmg when they win or 3500 when we win and for me as an individual there s no chance that i can get some good late games...u know what i mean..

Kozzy #2 Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:40 AM

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What do you mean 'full X mm' do you mean +/-0 mm?  If so, then I feel a lot of incentive to go up the tiers gets removed and with it and large part of the WoT payment model.  Why go to expensive T10 when you can play fun T7 instead?

Hedgehog1963 #3 Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:51 AM

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I think they should have more full tier X battles.  Takes the pressure off tier VIII.

 



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View PostKozzy, on 31 October 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

What do you mean 'full X mm' do you mean +/-0 mm?  If so, then I feel a lot of incentive to go up the tiers gets removed and with it and large part of the WoT payment model.  Why go to expensive T10 when you can play fun T7 instead?

 

honestly tier VII is just *edit, its not fun ur just farming noobs and...its not a challenge...
 

View PostHedgehog1963, on 31 October 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

I think they should have more full tier X battles.  Takes the pressure off tier VIII.

 

 

nowadays tier VIII mm is fine only in late night u get constantly in Xes through the day its fine nps with VIIIs anymore
 

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Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 31 October 2017 - 04:35 PM

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View PostHedgehog1963, on 31 October 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

I think they should have more full tier X battles.  Takes the pressure off tier VIII.

 

This, nothing more to add. 



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More full tier 10 is not good for WG's bank balance.

 

Clubbing the little tanks in your tier 10 heavy is one of the big draws WG relies on to get people to free XP up the tech trees or buy premium time/premium tanks. 



Bennie182 #7 Posted 31 October 2017 - 04:43 PM

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View Postlolsoez, on 31 October 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

nowadays tier VIII mm is fine only in late night u get constantly in Xes through the day its fine nps with VIIIs anymore

Very interesting, since my personal mm is still *edit up. I made a list of my last 2 hour session grinding my STA-1, which were 15 games. It says enough of how my mm is, not just those 2 hours.

8x tier 10

5x tier 9

2x full tier 8

none toptier

 


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Jack_Sparroxx #8 Posted 31 October 2017 - 04:53 PM

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View PostBennie182, on 31 October 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Very interesting, since my personal mm is still *edit up. I made a list of my last 2 hour session grinding my STA-1, which were 15 games. It says enough of how my mm is, not just those 2 hours.

8x tier 10

5x tier 9

2x full tier 8

none toptier

 

Broken as intended.. Stop being a cheap rear end [edited, thanks WG forum sensors] Mofo and spam dat gold.. Think of Serb's moon base and all those starving Russian kids with flies in their eyes and swollen bellys 

RamRaid90 #9 Posted 31 October 2017 - 05:44 PM

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View Postlolsoez, on 31 October 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

 

nowadays tier VIII mm is fine only in late night u get constantly in Xes through the day its fine nps with VIIIs anymore

 

 

 


Edited by RamRaid90, 31 October 2017 - 05:45 PM.


HundeWurst #10 Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:07 PM

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No its is not.
Well it would be if the maps would support full tier 10 games which they do not AT ALL.

 

Maps are already pretty terrible as they are but to add insult to injury on tier 10 they are just pathetic. They are way to bad. So yeah I dont agree with full tier 10. I would as it is the fairest matchup if balance would not be that bad and maps would be decent.
 



lolsoez #11 Posted 01 November 2017 - 01:03 AM

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Its just my personal feeling maybe im also getting into Xes but i just really dont care (Defender)

IncandescentGerbil #12 Posted 01 November 2017 - 01:50 AM

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Make everyone with tier Xs in gatage play a set number of games at mid tiers per hundred games played. Rent out tanks as required. Improves quality of games at low tiers and genuinely reduces pressure on tier 8. Maybe.

roachex #13 Posted 01 November 2017 - 05:53 AM

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Anything below tier 8 is boring as hell. Mostly I play tier8 just for grinding exp/credits or SH.

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View Postroachex, on 01 November 2017 - 05:53 AM, said:

Anything below tier 8 is boring as hell. Mostly I play tier8 just for grinding exp/credits or SH.

 

If there are a lot of sealclubbers, low tiers are a lot of fun. The games I enjoy the most are Tier III-VI games filled to the brim with sealclubbers, preferably on a map that is somewhat enclosed, yet not too much so it isn't dominated by a T67 or O-I Experimental on either team.

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Aikl #15 Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:56 AM

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Who could've predicted that even a system balancing tank class couldn't prevent roflstomps/superdefeats. Sigh. Anyway, one-sided battles are a natural consequence of how flanks typically gets won by superior numbers, and a disparity in numbers is, obviously, a disadvantage. Domino theory, in a sense. Gets likely worse because platoons are always matched, and man is there a huge chance that a platoon consists of equally skilled (or unskilled) players. Those battles are the worst; it's simply no real fun when your platoon wipes out the enemy one almost for free.

 

 

View PostHedgehog1963, on 31 October 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

I think they should have more full tier X battles.  Takes the pressure off tier VIII.

 

 

Probably the intention behind grand battles and ranked battles; too bad there's no real incentive to play those modes. Maybe the solution lies closer to restricting T10 MM further; that would mostly be to prevent the issue of relying on three top tiers to win the game (alternatively that your seven bottom-tiers can somehow swarm the enemy, which is very unlikely). Only seeing T9 would be a bit weird, but it's not like it's particularly fun to stomp T8s in a T10 tank (in the long run).

 

Question is, is there enough T9 tanks to keep T8 MM from affecting T6/7 too much?


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I dont even know if I have mentioned it already but in the more capable tanks (tanks with decent gun for tier 8) I dont mind the matchups all that much, aka the constant fight against tier 10 vehicles.

However a couple of things have to be said:

  • I am only willing to deal with games when I am bottom tier when the map allows me to do something even as the bottom tier. Mostly open maps allow creativity. Yet ~80 percent of all maps are closed corridors. How am I supposed to play a game when my only option, even as a bottom tier, is to drive down a corridor and start some boring and stupid as corner engagement against tanks up to two tiers higher? Where is the point? Oh wait there is non.
  • It is extremely frustrating as a bottom tier to play and see that your tier 10s are total potatoes... They are supposed to win the game for you, yet your top tier IS7 decides to camp next to the tier 8 TD for whatever reason. Thats not fun as you know that you are most likely to lose even 30 seconds in the game. So while it might be "fun" for the camping IS7 to be some kind of raidboss in the end when the game is already lost, while lets say at least 7 tier 8 tanks are dissapointed and just waisted their time.

 

So yeah even though all this does not perfectly fit in here for me it the new MM does not hold anything good. As long as the cross tier balance (vertical balance) is not brought in order (which considering the incompetence of the current balancing department is going to happen 2025 - oh wait the game doesnt exist by that point any more) and maps are not DRAMATICALLY changed the new MM is just as trash as the old one.

 



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Full tier 10 on Ensk or Mines = fun times! :great:

 

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View PostK_A, on 01 November 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

Full tier 10 on Ensk or Mines = fun times! :great:

 

Spoiler

 

 

That is a homophobic slure right there mister.... Expect to get yourself a youtube copyrightstrike anytime now. WG does not want you to make fun, even though it is completly harmless in this case.

Rati_Festa #19 Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:00 PM

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WG need to dial up the Grand Battles frequency ( and add 2 more maps to the mode ) to open up the game. They just need to look at the pressure points and iron out the problems, their first target should be to introduce more "interesting" content at T10 like the bonds and the larger battle modes.

 

I played about 6 hours ( from 3pm ) yesterday playing t10, I literally got constant 3/5/7 games for about the first three hours. I don't often play in the week days but its a very comfortable place to be driving around in my lt-100 slaughtering IS3's and Pilots all day. I didn't get any Grand Battles until the last hour at around 8pm, I can only assume WG's obsession with quick game launching is the reason Grand Battles doesn't open more frequently due to the delay as I would have had to wait minutes rather than seconds for a game to launch.

 

WG need to make the Grand Battle interface allow you to pick frequency level rather than just on and off, it would also be nice if they allowed you to change it per tank or class as well. So you could turn off Grand Battle for Heavies but switch it on for TDS for example or at a more granular level actual tanks. I actually want to play Grand Battles more in certain tanks for PM's mainly it would be nice it the end game started getting more TLC from WG imo.


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K_A #20 Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 01 November 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

That is a homophobic slure right there mister.... Expect to get yourself a youtube copyrightstrike anytime now. WG does not want you to make fun, even though it is completly harmless in this case.

 

1. I did not specify which gender I am ;) I own a football for example, and a croquet set, that one has many balls in it!

2. I did not specify what the elderly gentleman is suggesting. He might have just wanted some help with polishing his nice leather shoes :bajan:


Edited by K_A, 01 November 2017 - 12:18 PM.





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