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Artick_ #1 Posted 02 November 2017 - 01:56 PM

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Can somebody tell me exactly how this works?

I can see somewhere ADPG to increase a MoE like 0,5?

 

I ask this because , i was playing is-7 :

 

First game were 5,7k + 3k spot  = 1,3% MoE

Second game were 6.8k + 3k spot = 1,7% MoE

Third game were 2,1k + 6,5k spot =  0.11% MoE?

 

 

Doesn't spotting counts as daamge as well at HT/Med? Or wich is the ratio.

 

I have 10-15 tanks with 3 MoE , but still i dont get how it works.

 

I wanna if possible to get exact answers , not like ( well ,i think that .. bla bla )

 

Thanks .



brumbarr #2 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:02 PM

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Increase is roughly equal to :
((Dmg dealt +max(spotting,tracking))/(target combined dmg) )*1%

somegras #3 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:10 PM

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I think spotting and tracking assist is still seperated. It only counts the highest number. Eg, 2999 spotting, 3000 tracking, only 3k gets added. I dont know if they ever changed this.

Sfinski #4 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:15 PM

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It's either spotting OR tracking. They are not combined. Fe. 3k spots and 3k tracking doesn't boost your mark with 6k, only by 3k.

Knowing this try to track with tanks like heavies that fight at close distance and keep spotting with lights. Try not to mix the two.

 

..// Fug, so slow ...


Edited by Sfinski, 02 November 2017 - 02:15 PM.


Y_O_L_0 #5 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:18 PM

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The third game, how much track assist and how much spot assist did you have? MoE only takes in account the largest amount. If you had 3k track and 2k spot, then only the track assist counts towards the MoE.

Also, your last 100 battles count. If your 100th battle was a high damage battle (8k+) then your newest battle will drop the MoE if you have lower damage then the 100th battle. The 100th battle will be cycled out.

Also, if other players start playing better with the specific tank, then you need to perform better, or else your MoE goes down even if you perform on the same level.

I don't know if what I wrote is understandable, I hope it is easy to understand.

uglycousin #6 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:21 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 02 November 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

It's either spotting OR tracking. They are not combined. Fe. 3k spots and 3k tracking doesn't boost your mark with 6k, only by 3k.

Knowing this try to track with tanks like heavies that fight at close distance and keep spotting with lights. Try not to mix the two.

 

..// Fug, so slow ...

 

For a lot of time I did not know that, as it is not a very intuitive move. One would think that the two would add up. But nope. The more it gets repeated, the more people find out about it. :)

Balc0ra #7 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:24 PM

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View PostY_O_L_0, on 02 November 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Also, your last 100 battles count. If your 100th battle was a high damage battle (8k+) then your newest battle will drop the MoE if you have lower damage then the 100th battle. The 100th battle will be cycled out.

 

This, if the battle that left was better then the one you just had. As in a game 101 battles ago. Then your average will drop to. Or if you had a really crappy 0 damage game leave the last 100. Then it might jump for less.



ZlatanArKung #8 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:25 PM

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View Postsomegras, on 02 November 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

I think spotting and tracking assist is still seperated. It only counts the highest number. Eg, 2999 spotting, 3000 tracking, only 3k gets added. I dont know if they ever changed this.

 

Last time I spent some time into this, Customer support was insisting that they where combined, despite being asked a few times bringing up stuff that (wot labs formula for exampl) that it wasn't combined.

They asked some "specialist", it took a few days, and then they just said that it was combined. So...

 

But there is an old thread made by LordMuffin about this, search for "Mark of Excellence" or something and you should find his whole conversation with the Support.



HundeWurst #9 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:33 PM

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View Postuglycousin, on 02 November 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

For a lot of time I did not know that, as it is not a very intuitive move. One would think that the two would add up. But nope. The more it gets repeated, the more people find out about it. :)

 

Agreed. It should be the combined value. But in this case I am trusting WG. They might have the better number crunchers.

brumbarr #10 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:34 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 02 November 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

Last time I spent some time into this, Customer support was insisting that they where combined, despite being asked a few times bringing up stuff that (wot labs formula for exampl) that it wasn't combined.

They asked some "specialist", it took a few days, and then they just said that it was combined. So...

 

But there is an old thread made by LordMuffin about this, search for "Mark of Excellence" or something and you should find his whole conversation with the Support.

Yeah, they clearly dont knoe what they are talking about. I made a formula that calculates the required with them not added up  and it perfectly matches reality. 

Same thing when i have a battle with both, it will only go up by what you expect if you dont add them up.  



brumbarr #11 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:36 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 02 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

This, if the battle that left was better then the one you just had. As in a game 101 battles ago. Then your average will drop to. Or if you had a really crappy 0 damage game leave the last 100. Then it might jump for less.

That is not true though, wg do not remember 100 battles, they remember 1 value, a  moving average. There is no battle that goes out.



brumbarr #12 Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:38 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 02 November 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

 

Agreed. It should be the combined value. But in this case I am trusting WG. They might have the better number crunchers.

I guess they dont add them up because then you would be able to farm to much assist and the mark would depend too much on assist then dmg. 

I guess what you could do is add them upp but then make assist only count 80% as much as dmg.



Artick_ #13 Posted 02 November 2017 - 03:03 PM

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Yeah , but i think that spotting counts also as marks . When i play lights ( not many tho:)) ) and i do spotting , most of the time MoE will increase , eventhough i have 0 dmg or <1k

 

And second thing : is-7 If i spot enemy , and he were killed by a jagdpz which is at 600m  , he will gain MoE , but i will get nothing . Thats not quite fair.



Salmandra #14 Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:08 PM

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check skill4u, master of MoE. From my experience both count, assist/spot + damage. 

Your % increase depends on tank and on prior 100th battle.



Uebergewicht #15 Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:11 PM

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By the way, does anybody know how MoEs are calculated before you reach 100 battles in a tank? Are the games you lack before the 100 mark counted as 0 damage games? Is getting to 100 battles always an advantage?

TankkiPoju #16 Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:13 AM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 02 November 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

By the way, does anybody know how MoEs are calculated before you reach 100 battles in a tank? Are the games you lack before the 100 mark counted as 0 damage games? Is getting to 100 battles always an advantage?

 

The whole 100 battles is a myth, that people still believe in. In reality, there is no 100 or 500 or 25 battles required for MoEs.

 

If you have a good game, your MoE values goes up and if you have a bad game it goes down. Simple as that. WoT doesn't remember your past games, it only changes your MoE rating for the tank after each battle... up or down.

 

If you have a lot of good games, you can reach 3rd MoE way before even 100th game, my record is 64 in T21, and that's from zero games on a new tank.

 


Edited by TankkiPoju, 03 November 2017 - 08:17 AM.


RamRaid90 #17 Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

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View PostUebergewicht, on 02 November 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

By the way, does anybody know how MoEs are calculated before you reach 100 battles in a tank? Are the games you lack before the 100 mark counted as 0 damage games? Is getting to 100 battles always an advantage?

 

It doesn't remember your 100 battles.

 

It uses the rolling average of ALL players over the last 100 games, and compares this to your score in that 1 game.


Edited by RamRaid90, 03 November 2017 - 08:26 AM.


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 03 November 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

 

The whole 100 battles is a myth, that people still believe in. In reality, there is no 100 or 500 or 25 battles required for MoEs.

 

If you have a good game, your MoE values goes up and if you have a bad game it goes down. Simple as that. WoT doesn't remember your past games, it only changes your MoE rating for the tank after each battle... up or down.

 

If you have a lot of good games, you can reach 3rd MoE way before even 100th game, my record is 64 in T21, and that's from zero games on a new tank.

 

 

i 3marked PZivH at 69 games, SP1c at 93 games and HWK at less than 100 quoted for truth. 

RamRaid90 #19 Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:28 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 02 November 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

I guess they dont add them up because then you would be able to farm to much assist and the mark would depend too much on assist then dmg. 

I guess what you could do is add them upp but then make assist only count 80% as much as dmg.

 

Or they could use XP scores instead.

Anxter_ #20 Posted 03 November 2017 - 05:43 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 November 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

 

Or they could use XP scores instead.

 

Theoretically yeah, but since WG are terrible bookkeepers regarding stats they haven't split base XP from premium XP anywhere outside of the results screen, so good luck not getting a system where running prem is a free MoE boost.




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