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japtank #1 Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:41 PM

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I'm experiencing heavy lag again, installed the nex Pingplotter version and went merry pinging.

Pingplotter insists on pointing fingers at my ISP's first hop, while the ping to that very same hop I'm running at the same time shows it's fine.

 

Of course i could open a ticket, but I'd like to know more about that discrepancy beforehand.

What gives?

 



Balc0ra #2 Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:51 PM

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What does it say if you do a tracert in CMD then vs just ping?

AngelofAwe #3 Posted 06 November 2017 - 09:53 PM

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Having the same issue today for the first time in a few weeks. significant packet loss. 

japtank #4 Posted 06 November 2017 - 10:04 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 06 November 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

What does it say if you do a tracert in CMD then vs just ping?

 

Ping is fine, tracert shows some lag.

I'm not a tecchie guy, what's up here?

 


Edited by japtank, 06 November 2017 - 10:05 PM.


Homer_J #5 Posted 06 November 2017 - 11:31 PM

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View Postjaptank, on 06 November 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

I'm experiencing heavy lag again, installed the nex Pingplotter version and went merry pinging.

Pingplotter insists on pointing fingers at my ISP's first hop, while the ping to that very same hop I'm running at the same time shows it's fine.

 

Of course i could open a ticket, but I'd like to know more about that discrepancy beforehand.

What gives?

 

 

I think that packet loss to your router (1st hop) is due to too frequent pinging.  Try increasing the interval and not running a command prompt ping at the same time.  If it's still bad then reboot it.

 

Anyway it's not relevant because it doesn't propagate down the rest of the hops.

 

When you are reading the trace start at the bottom, and since it's OK down there you can ignore anything above.

 

Were you actually getting lag during that trace?



japtank #6 Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:26 AM

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Lag comes in spikes, as shown in the first screenshot, it was taken just after a lag spike.

It seems WG servers were lagging too at that moment.



Homer_J #7 Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:39 AM

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There's a ping spike but no packet loss.

 

Hard to say where it starts though especially with those two none responsive hops.  I'd try a longer trace with a bigger interval and without the ping test running.  And it's probably worth rebooting your router although the stuff at your end looks irrelevant.



Steel_Patriot #8 Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

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I have constant 100% packet loss on 5/12 hops on eu2  with ping 35, so bad infact the names on the hops show as blank. I aim and aim and aim recticule explodes to full bloom over and over with server recticule. It's been like it for 2 months so just basically stopped paying/playing

EU1 100% on 3 hops playable but i hate the server , 37-40 ping



Derethim #9 Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:59 PM

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I don't need third party programs to set-up my internet, so that a game can connect right, when playing other games than WoT.

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Edited by Derethim, 07 November 2017 - 12:59 PM.


LikePike #10 Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:09 PM

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View PostSteel_Patriot, on 07 November 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

I have constant 100% packet loss on 5/12 hops on eu2  with ping 35, so bad infact the names on the hops show as blank. I aim and aim and aim recticule explodes to full bloom over and over with server recticule. It's been like it for 2 months so just basically stopped paying/playing

EU1 100% on 3 hops playable but i hate the server , 37-40 ping

 

Where does packet loss matter:

  • within your network (LAN)
  • at the endpoint (server you're pinging)

 

If you have packet loss or ping spikes on other hops, nobody give a s**t it doesn't matter (different routes, routers not responding to ping (ICMP)), useless you have packet loss at the end point (EU1 in this case).

 

Overall, the first screenshot shows you have an average ping of 26 ms, best was 3 ms to your home router (192.168.1.1) and you also have 17% packet loss over there. You also have 45 ms average to EU1 server, the best was 26 ms.

 

On both hops (home router and EU1) you have a delta of about 20 ms, which means the delay of the first hop (home router) is also forwarded to the end point (EU1).

 

Solution:

Fix your home network.


Edited by LikePike, 07 November 2017 - 01:09 PM.


Steel_Patriot #11 Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

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View PostLikePike, on 07 November 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

 

Where does packet loss matter:

  • within your network (LAN)
  • at the endpoint (server you're pinging)

 

If you have packet loss or ping spikes on other hops, nobody give a s**t it doesn't matter (different routes, routers not responding to ping (ICMP)), useless you have packet loss at the end point (EU1 in this case).

 

Overall, the first screenshot shows you have an average ping of 26 ms, best was 3 ms to your home router (192.168.1.1) and you also have 17% packet loss over there. You also have 45 ms average to EU1 server, the best was 26 ms.

 

On both hops (home router and EU1) you have a delta of about 20 ms, which means the delay of the first hop (home router) is also forwarded to the end point (EU1).

 

Solution:

Fix your home network.

 

Firstly your talking out your a$$. That amount of packet loss matters when your aiming and your recticule is vibrating in front of you

Secondly i'm not the op so if your really that braindead  , do you know how air works ?


Edited by Steel_Patriot, 07 November 2017 - 01:20 PM.


HundeWurst #12 Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:26 PM

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Well for the longest of times I used WIFI. I constantly had ping issues and packageloss all over the place.

 

Now I know WIFI is not the best option when it comes to high speed and even more an super stable connection but oh well I did not think that it would be so terrible, how it turned out to be.

I ran Pingplotters left right centre, they all pointed towards my IPS, who denied any problems. I was about to change my IPS.

 

However as a last act I bought a 30 meters LAN cable and connected my PC via this to the Router. Never ever had any problems ever since. Well once for 2 hours but that was the provider for sure.


SO first things first make sure that it is not your WIFI or local machines - computers and router, modems and such. I would have never ever expected it to be that different (WIFI vs wired). I knew that WIFI is dar from optimal but oh boy... its just not working for FPS gaming.

 



LikePike #13 Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:28 PM

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View PostSteel_Patriot, on 07 November 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

Firstly your talking out your a$$. That amount of packet loss matters when your aiming and your recticule is vibrating in front of you

Secondly i'm not the op so if your really that braindead  , do you know how air works ?

 

Read this please and get a clue about traceroute/pingplotter:

https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf

 

PS:

The interesting part starts on page 32 and don't forget the figure on page 37.






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