Jump to content


Skilled players vs noobs? Maybe WG can implement MMR in this game?


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
60 replies to this topic

Vladimir_Mrakovic #1 Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:57 PM

    Private

  • Player
  • 6917 battles
  • 29
  • Member since:
    01-03-2016
Does this game have any balance? MMR?  I mean player with 20k games and 55% wins is matched vs player which has 2000 games and 45% wins. And becouse that unbalanced shits we get games that end with score 15-3, 15-2 ,15-5 ..........win or lose with 15-3 is not fun. Its boring af. This game need palyer skill  based matchmaking. For example. In LeagueaOfLegends skilled master palyers cant be matched vs noob players , even in normal or random games (Why? Becouse its not fun!! Its not  fun for skilled palyer and its not funn for noob )...but in this game  it can, becouse game  dont have any MMR ...

speedphlux #2 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:00 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 42526 battles
  • 1,705
  • [TZAR] TZAR
  • Member since:
    01-28-2011
You want skill based match maker ? Armored Welfare is right over there buddy.

OreH75 #3 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:01 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 46950 battles
  • 1,986
  • [RANGR] RANGR
  • Member since:
    05-29-2013

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

Does this game have any balance? MMR?  I mean player with 20k games and 55% wins is matched vs player which has 2000 games and 45% wins. And becouse that unbalanced shits we get games that end with score 15-3, 15-2 ,15-5 ..........win or lose with 15-3 is not fun. Its boring af. This game need palyer skill  based matchmaking. For example. In LeagueaOfLegends skilled master palyers cant be matched vs noob players , even in normal or random games (Why? Becouse its not fun!! Its not  fun for skilled palyer and its not funn for noob )...but in this game  it can, becouse game  dont have any MMR ...

 

Yeah please seperate them, I dont want to play against noob players with only 20k battles...

Draz_H #4 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:03 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14692 battles
  • 647
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Does this game have any balance? MMR?  I mean player with 20k games and 55% wins is matched vs player which has 2000 games and 45% wins. And becouse that unbalanced shits we get games that end with score 15-3, 15-2 ,15-5 ..........win or lose with 15-3 is not fun. Its boring af. This game need palyer skill  based matchmaking. For example. In LeagueaOfLegends skilled master palyers cant be matched vs noob players , even in normal or random games (Why? Becouse its not fun!! Its not  fun for skilled palyer and its not funn for noob )...but in this game  it can, becouse game  dont have any MMR ...

 

I like how you speak out for the baddies and the skilled players. ROFL

RinTin_NL #5 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:03 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14572 battles
  • 669
  • Member since:
    08-08-2014

"He is afraid that if all the battles are between 'roughly' equal teams his precious stats might take a nose dive".

 

Not my line but am using it again because it's so true! :trollface:


Edited by RinTin_NL, 08 November 2017 - 01:04 PM.


Draz_H #6 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:08 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14692 battles
  • 647
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011
Yes, it's all about the 0,01% of the player base. The whole game revolves around them and their worry about stats. Next pathetic excuse please!

Vladimir_Mrakovic #7 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:09 PM

    Private

  • Player
  • 6917 battles
  • 29
  • Member since:
    01-03-2016
You obviously do not know what MMR is,and why it is all the big and popular   online games it has . 

Draz_H #8 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:16 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14692 battles
  • 647
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

You obviously do not know what MMR is,and why it is all the big and popular   online games it has . 

 

I can't wait how you'll compare CS:GO or LoL with World of Tanks! (that's what usually people do in these threads, maybe use the search functions regarding SMM threads?)


Edited by Draz_H, 08 November 2017 - 01:16 PM.


tajj7 #9 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:16 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 24849 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

No.

 

I could explain why but I can't be bothered as we've done this about a million times. Let's just say AW tried it, it made the game worse and led to more one sided results so they ditched it. 



Draz_H #10 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14692 battles
  • 647
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View Posttajj7, on 08 November 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

No.

 

I could explain why but I can't be bothered as we've done this about a million times. Let's just say AW tried it, it made the game worse and led to more one sided results so they ditched it. 

 

But but maybe if World of Tanks tried it, it could finally work?! But but those seasoned players are winning far too easily! HOW DARE THEY?!

Vladimir_Mrakovic #11 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:19 PM

    Private

  • Player
  • 6917 battles
  • 29
  • Member since:
    01-03-2016

View PostDraz_H, on 08 November 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

Yes, it's all about the 0,01% of the player base. The whole game revolves around them and their worry about stats. Next pathetic excuse please!

 

Why do you have 70% win rate ? Becouse  u are good in this  game , and becouse u are matched vs low skill players all  time  !!!!!  This is not fun, et least its not  fun for noob players and  low skill palyers...

Draz_H #12 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:20 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 14692 battles
  • 647
  • [T-D-U] T-D-U
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

 

Why do you have 70% win rate ? Becouse  u are good in this  game , and becouse u are matched vs low skill players all  time  !!!!!  This is not fun, et least its not  fun for noob players and  low skill palyers...

 

Oh it's fun. It's a lot of fun and seeing you crying on the forums like a little girl makes it so much better!

Edited by Draz_H, 08 November 2017 - 01:20 PM.


CmdRatScabies #13 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:20 PM

    Colonel

  • Player
  • 35870 battles
  • 3,813
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    10-12-2015
Only options you have are give up and "play4fun" or to try and get better at the game, not a bad option really.

Homer_J #14 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:21 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Beta Tester
  • 27652 battles
  • 29,000
  • [WJDE] WJDE
  • Member since:
    09-03-2010

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Does this game have any balance? MMR?  I mean player with 20k games and 55% wins is matched vs player which has 2000 games and 45% wins. And becouse that unbalanced shits we get games that end with score 15-3, 15-2 ,15-5 

WRONG!

 

You get one sided games because of the no respawn game mode.  If you lose a tank you are at a disadvantage.  The only thing which ever stops a steamroll is the 3 decent players in your team which is how you get those epic battles where you turn round a 3:10 into a 15:10

 

Want to win more then git gud.


Edited by Homer_J, 08 November 2017 - 01:22 PM.


fwhaatpiraat #15 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:23 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 45717 battles
  • 532
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    05-04-2013
A sucking team is not a valid reason to play bad yourself. Git gud and you will carry your team more often, even the 'losing teams' can be brought to victory.

Aikl #16 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:23 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 25167 battles
  • 4,253
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    04-13-2011

There's a MM discussion schticky, right?

 

Anyway, Wargaming have a few principles, and one of them is your 'right to stomp' if you're good at the game.

 

I don't really give a flying fudge about stats. It's a fun way of looking at how I improve, but they are not a definite way of estimating skill. Skill goes beyond sheer numbers. I know a certain guy that has mastered a tank beyond imagination, he's an overall very good player, yet he hasn't got three marks on it. Reason is simple: He's a teamplayer. If you matched WN8, he'd likely stomp anyone with equivalent rating. Well, most likely primarily in his favourite class - heavy tanks. Maybe not so much in mediums.

This necessitates a ton of details. Per-class, per-tier, even per-vehicle stats - all in a matchmaker that can't even manage to match T8-10 tanks according to their group.

 

Let's say it was manageable and perfect, anyway. It would increase the challenge, which is kind of fine, but also literally require you to play well if you have good stats. No room for "play4fun" if you have 58% winrate - because if you don't try hard, the enemy has possible a huge advantage.

 

Best-case you could argue to balance teams a little bit, but it's not really overall team skill that decides stuff. It's way more often the top three tanks. That's a major reason why we've still got a bunch of roflstomp games. Three players is a tiny sample, and very likely to flip one way or another, both in terms of skill and in terms of map placements.

 

Then comes the idea of different tanks. How do you think that will balance out? There'll be no point in playing a 'weak' tank anymore - because the enemy will have a same-skilled player, and (in an ideal world), the tank is the only difference between your skill at the game. That's just beyond stupid.

 

Last, but not least: Most good players would most likely tank (!) their stats on purpose to cheat the system. Heck, I'm so childishly stubborn that I'd swap accounts with some below-average player just to fudge the system up. Well, maybe implementing skill-based matchmaker would only count stats gained after it's implemented? Way ahead of you - I'd dedicate an hour daily to crashing and drowning T8 premiums on purpose while watching Youtube on my phone. Yes, childishly stubborn.

 

Bottom line: It's not really needed, it'll scare off players you arguably need to keep the game healthy, you can cheat the system and even in a perfect world the effect will not be what you think it'll be - WoT is so dependant on RNG that you'd still get weird results, and it's not like most players are anywhere close to consistent in their games. It would switch to a game even more RNG-dependant.


Edited by Aikl, 08 November 2017 - 07:06 PM.


Ceeb #17 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:23 PM

    Major General

  • Beta Tester
  • 30079 battles
  • 5,171
  • Member since:
    01-14-2011

All I know is this.

 

Team with the most greens/blues/purples wins.

Team with the most Reds Lose.

 

I was killed by Skill4U on Sunday, his Team had 4 purples in it,  it was a 2-15 loss, ours had all Reds. Him in a AMX 105, I switched to his stream after to watch him kill me again......

 

 

 

 



tajj7 #18 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:24 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Player
  • 24849 battles
  • 13,836
  • [-MM] -MM
  • Member since:
    03-30-2014

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

 

becouse u are matched vs low skill players all  time 

 

No he isn't.

 

He gets the same MM as you get, as I get, as everyone else gets, this will mean he gets bad teams, average teams and good teams. He just earns more wins through his good play and carries more teams to wins.

 

What you want to do is punish him for being good at the game by putting more bad players on his team or face other players of similar level (which there are barely a thousand), whilst rewarding crap players with more wins. 

 

What you want is fundamentally unfair. 

 

 



Homer_J #19 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:25 PM

    Field Marshal

  • Beta Tester
  • 27652 battles
  • 29,000
  • [WJDE] WJDE
  • Member since:
    09-03-2010

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

 

Why do you have 70% win rate ? Becouse  u are good in this  game , and becouse u are matched vs low skill players all  time  !!!!!  This is not fun, et least its not  fun for noob players and  low skill palyers...

 

New players get their own little bubble to play in, they don't get to meet veterans.

 

Which leaves the noobs and the low skilled and that's easy, don't be a low skilled noob and you will be fine.



OreH75 #20 Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:28 PM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 46950 battles
  • 1,986
  • [RANGR] RANGR
  • Member since:
    05-29-2013

View PostVladimir_Mrakovic, on 08 November 2017 - 01:19 PM, said:

 

Why do you have 70% win rate ? Becouse  u are good in this  game , and becouse u are matched vs low skill players all  time  !!!!!  This is not fun, et least its not  fun for noob players and  low skill palyers...

 

Oh man, grow up..we all started with 0 battles and 0% winrate when we made our account and just like you we all faced the same skill(less) players while playing the game. And just like with many things in real life some people are better than others..get over it or try to get better.




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users